Random visa checks at Tube station in ‘racist van’ area

[joebloggs]

i thought Ukrainians are white :doh

Immigration officers have been accused of heavy-handed tactics after carrying out random visa checks on Tube passengers in north-west London.


read more here .. http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/30/random-visa-checks-at-tube-station-in-racist-van-area-3904916/

[imagine]

only none white people:Erm: isn't that racist:Erm:

[joebloggs]

only none white people:Erm: isn't that racist:Erm:

so how did they arrest the Ukrainian woman then , or am i being racist thinking the majority are White :cwm25:

[imagine]

so how did they arrest the Ukrainian woman then , or am i being racist thinking the majority are White :cwm25:

refering to this ,,,, Sources meanwhile told Political Scrapbook that only non-white people were challenged by the officers.

[Dedworth]

They got 3 grubs so it obviously works, there should be many more of these checks carried out.

[grahamw48]

Who cares who they stopped and why, as long it results in more illegals being thrown out of our country.

Shutup with the 'racist' nonsense already ! :mad:

Anyone with nothing to hide, no chip on their shoulder and without stupid political-correctness sensitivities will show their ID and be on their way. :anerikke:

[bigmarco]

These are nothing new. They've been going on for some time and I myself have witnessed them at Tooting Broadway station. Long may they continue.

[Dedworth]

The only people this riles other than the illegals themselves are lefties and immigration supporters

[grahamw48]

Exactly. ...Most of whom in one way or another are also sponging off the rest of society.

[lordna]

Who cares who they stopped and why, as long it results in more illegals being thrown out of our country.

Shutup with the 'racist' nonsense already ! :mad:

Anyone with nothing to hide, no chip on their shoulder and without stupid political-correctness sensitivities will show their ID and be on their way. :anerikke:

Since when has it been a requirement for British people to carry ID? If and when my wife gets British citizenship then she will have the same rights as me although the colour of her skin is not white. I don't carry ID and i wouldn't expect her to have to either.

Stopping people because of the colour of their skin IS blatently racist although for me the main issue is stopping people expecting them to have ID.

[grahamw48]

Oh for goodness sake. Don't turn this into a debate about whether we should have or carry IDs. :doh

MOST people carry some sort of 'ID' ...whether it be a credit card, bank card driving licence, medical card, library card etc etc, The average person probably has two or three of these in their purse or wallet. This is about REALITY.

What has racism or colour got to do with it ? There are people living here from virtually every country in the world and of every shade and religion. Some are here legally and some are not.

MOST have no problem dealing with authority and do not have chips on their shoulders.

MOST people would have no problem having their 'ID's checked, just as they have no problem having their ticket on the train checked or showing some 'ID' in the bank.

You do get the occasional awkward silly bugger of course, who creates a fuss and causes delays and expense, while the rest of us roll our eyes and accept that there are good reasons behind such checks. :NoNo:

There is a huge difference between running a safe, law-abiding and ordered society and the 'police state' whined about by the paranoid, the law-breakers and the anarchists.

[Dedworth]

Oh for goodness sake. Don't turn this into a debate about whether we should have or carry IDs. :doh

MOST people carry some sort of 'ID' ...whether it be a credit card, bank card driving licence, medical card, library card etc etc, The average person probably has two or three of these in their purse or wallet. This is about REALITY.

What has racism or colour got to do with it ? There are people living here from virtually every country in the world and of every shade and religion. Some are here legally and some are not.

MOST have no problem dealing with authority and do not have chips on their shoulders.

MOST people would have no problem having their 'ID's checked, just as they have no problem having their ticket on the train checked or showing some 'ID' in the bank.

You do get the occasional awkward silly bugger of course, who creates a fuss and causes delays and expense, while the rest of us roll our eyes and accept that there are good reasons behind such checks. :NoNo:

There is a huge difference between running a safe, law-abiding and ordered society and the 'police state' whined about by the paranoid, the law-breakers and the anarchists.

:iagree:

Just to repeat

The only people this riles other than the illegals themselves are lefties and immigration supporters.

[lordna]

Chapter 31 UKBA Operations enforcement manual section 19 describes what Immigration officers are allowed or not allowed to do. It seems pretty clear to me they are not following their own rules.

[Dedworth]

Chapter 31 UKBA Operations enforcement manual section 19 describes what Immigration officers are allowed or not allowed to do. It seems pretty clear to me they are not following their own rules.

e mail your concerns about the Kensal Green operation to mayt@parliament.uk and let us know what she says

[bigmarco]

It's no point us complaining about illegal immigrants and then complaining when the authorities come up with initiatives to do something about it.
Unless you live in London you probably don't get the full picture. I would suggest that nearly 50% of all illegals in this country are probably inside the M25. I would not be at all offended if my wife was asked to provide ID by an officer carrying out random checks as we have nothing to hide.
I'm reassured by many recent stories I've read about both Police and Border authorities initiatives to catch the illegals from the Tube Station checks to the illegal mini cab drivers in the West End and many raids on businesses particularly in South London that have resulted in many arrests.
I find these sort of initiatives of far more benefit than driving silly vans around with silly adverts on.

[lordna]

31.19.8 Summary from the UKBA operations enforcement manual

IOs have powers to question people away from their point of entry to the UK about their identity and
leave status, on a consensual basis, following the formation of a reasonable suspicion that an
immigration offence has been committed. In addition, just because an immigration presence on a
crime reduction operation or street operation is lawful, it does not mean that IOs will automatically
be able to legitimately stop and question individuals. On a crime reduction operation, the referring
officer will need a reasonable suspicion that that person is an immigration offender. On a street
operation, there still needs to be a reasonable suspicion that that individual may be an immigration
offender before initially stopping, questioning (with the consent of the person stopped) and where
appropriate, subsequently arresting.
Only when an IO has formed a ‘reasonable suspicion’ that an individual is an immigration offender
may he lawfully seek to stop that person on a voluntary basis with a view to asking him questions
about identity and leave status. Where this is the basis for the stop, Singh v Hammond and an IO’s
powers under Schedule 2 of the Immigration Act 1971 Act to examine the person about their
identity and leave status will provide the lawful authority to do so.
An IO has no power to stop a person who refuses to do so unless they have other information in
their possession at that stage amounting to grounds for arrest under one of the relevant arrest
powers at Part III or Schedule 2 of the Immigration Act 1971.
An IO must not engage a person on the basis of their appearance, race, colour, ethnic origin or
nationality. To do so would amount to unlawful discrimination under the Equality Act 2010.

[grahamw48]

That UKBA manual merely demonstrates to me the ridiculous state this country has got itself into through excessive politically-correct nonsense. :NoNo:

Hardly surprising that the UKBA has been declared 'unfit for purpose'.

It needs re-writing, and we as a nation need to start taking steps to regain control of our own country and borders.

If that means upsetting a small minority of over-sensitive individuals in the interests of the vast majority, then... TOUGH ! :mad:

[jake]

Cant see why carrying an ID card is such a problem.

I have carried some sort of ID on a daily basis for the past 25 years and it has more advantages than disadvantages. My kids have worn ID badges to school for the last 11 years and i am quite happy that they have always had some form of identification on them.

[Dedworth]

That UKBA manual merely demonstrates to me the the ridiculous state this country has got itself into through excessive politically-correct nonsense. :NoNo:

Hardly surprising that the UKBA has been declared 'unfit for purpose'.

It needs re-writing, and we as a nation need to start taking steps to regain control of our own country and borders.

If that means upsetting a small minority of over-sensitive individuals in the interests of the vast majority, then... TOUGH ! :mad:

Hear Hear !

[Pete/London]

I have just changed to a photo driving licence so they can stop me as often as they wish, but only want to be frisked by the pretty female officers.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[raynaputi]

I'm always carrying my IDs with me (in my bag or put in in pockets). You'll never know when you would actually need them. When I was living in Singapore, everyone has IDs (like the current BRP card that UKBA requires) and it must be carried everytime, especially if you're a foreigner. So whenever I was asked for IDs, I can show them right away. I don't know what's the problem with having IDs with you, whether you're foreigner or British. When I was taking my Life in the UK test, Keith and his son were waiting at the bookies. But mind you, his son didn't have any IDs with him and was turned away at a few bookies because he can't prove he's over 18. :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

When I was taking my Life in the UK test. Keith and his son were waiting at the bookies. But mind you, his son doesn't have any IDs with him and was turned away at a few bookies because he can't prove he's over 18. :icon_lol:

Did they get good odds on you passing ? :biggrin:

[raynaputi]

Did they get good odds on you passing ? :biggrin:

Well there was a big racing event that day (I can't remember what) and Keith won a few so the bookies might not want them there again..hahahaha.. :icon_lol:

[lordna]

Carrying ID or not carrying ID should not be a problem. Being stopped by Police or an immigration officer where there are no reasons to suspect you are here illegally or have commited a crime is wrong. They need to explain why you have been stopped.
Its entirely up to you if you produce ID and they have no rights to search you unless they have suspicion you are carrying something illegal.
The rule book all makes sense to me. Perhaps some on here would have preferred it if the Nazis were in power then we would all have to show id and maybe wear a star on our clothing.

[grahamw48]

I wondered when the 'Nazi' card would be played. :NoNo:

That's taking things to too low a level....and for that reason, I'm out.

[raynaputi]

It won't be a problem for me if a police/immigration officer asked me to show my ID/BRP card to check if I'm a legal resident here, whether if they just saw me walking down the street or anywhere else and wanted to ask me about being here because I don't look like British. That should be expected if you're an immigrant, especially if you aren't British citizen yet (it was like that when I lived in Singapore, I was even asked to show my work permit ID when I was buying a prepaid/pay as you go sim card from a store or going to a clinic for a check up, it wasn't a problem for me). No need to cry out the racist remark as long as they're just making sure I have a legal right to be in this country. I'm legal to be here and would never have a problem proving that. Like what Graham said, it should not cause any fuss if you're not an illegal immigrant. The "racist" word is really overused in this country, to be honest. Everything you say or do would always have a possibility of being tagged as racist.

[Dedworth]

I wondered when the 'Nazi' card would be played. :NoNo:

That's taking things to too low a level....and for that reason, I'm out.

Sticks and stones Graham - the cheap, tired, racist jibe from a deluded individual who posted this believing Roma criminals in London are professionals down on their luck :laugher:


The previous statement could only be classed as outright racism. Perhaps the writer knows these people personally? How does he know you are not looking at a group of lawyers, doctors or what? Perhaps they have fallen on hard times but just maybe they have a positive contribution to make to our society. At least they should be given a chance to prove it.

[les_taxi]

I look at it this way,Whats the big deal bout being asked to produce id?
Why is it racist?
If any measures stop terrorism or illegals in this country then fantastsic :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Do we not want to feel safe in this country?
I'm sure after the London bombings more Asians with beards and backpacks were stopped and searched-so what that was a reasonable thing to do at the time!
Why would it bother anyone unless they have something to hide
If I lived in Pakistan and a group of white Caucasians were committing terrorism do you not think I would get searched more than the 'locals'?
I would understand that and have to accept their rules if not then maybe it's time for me to leave that country
I would personally like to see everyone have an ID card and be traceable what's wrong with that?

[grahamw48]

Nothing wrong with that at all Les.

We all have to be in possession of several IDs either on us or at home.

Nothing new in that. Life would get very difficult without a birth certificate for starters...if you'll pardon the pun. :smile:

[Pete/London]

The can`t do, wont do , mustn`t do approach must be abandoned as its now gone past crisis point in London.
I`m all for a more pro active approach that would clear away some of the parasites walking the streets. You even get them walking through tube trains begging.

Everyone I know supports a crackdown, the pressure on London is building up so much that I wonder if its the cause of the increase in violent crime over the last few months.
Another murder in Leyton last night, with around 12 murders in July.

[Janedan0913]

For me, there's. no problem if I will be stopped and check my IDs. If someone is not hiding anything then there is no way to get mad on what they are doing. I prefer them doing their job outside rather than staying in the office and just looking at all the files of the asylum seekers and other visa applicants.

[lordna]

Let me put it another way...
If a police or immigration officer gives a valid reason ie he/she can demonstrate that an immigration or other offence is being commited, then i have no objection to identifying myself. That doesnt mean i want to be forced to carry ID with me.
If everyone carried ID what a wonderful target for theft as once you lose any ID (driving licence, passport, birth certificate or BRP card) its not easy to get it back or prove who you are particularly when someone else is proving they are you with your documents. This actually happened to my father and i can assure you its not funny.
Les i dont think carrying ID has anything to do with racism either...but what could be considered racist is identifying people by the colour of their skin and stopping them on that basis only , then asking if they can produce ID. Not only is that racist, it also doesnt comply with the UKBA operations enforcement manual. Even if some believe the manual needs updating (not my opinion) it is the current set of rules Immigration officers should be working to.
Graham i am sorry you have decided to "duck out" of the discussion when i mentioned previous behaviour in Nazi Germany and the fact that Jews were forced to wear stars, but i do see a dangerous parrallel here. I take your reason of not wanting to comment as that you have no counter argument to that point?
Dedworth your post highlighting another comment i made has been included here totally out of context and has nothing to do with these randonm visa checks or the carrying of ID. It did however have a lot to do with the point that one should not jump to conclusions when you see a photo of what people do for a living or why they are here. Infact your opinion of the people concerned was probably correct as i might of even said at a later point but you have chosen NOT to mention this but prefer to perhaps ridicule any opinion other than yours as being invalid. I form my opinions on what i observe and sometimes from what others may write here...and may even change my opinions based on that.
We have the usual tirade about only those with something to hide will object to identity cards. We could make the same argument about giving the police unrestricted access to any part of your life. If you have nothing to hide, you won't object to the police stopping you and searching you, or asking to be let into your house at any time in the day? I certainly would!
The present government were quick to discard the National identity database and scheme thank goodness. What if such a scheme was extended to include a record of your DNA, and include access to all other databases holding details about you? Perhaps the present governments intention on how this information could be used is legitimate but who knows how this could be used by future governments? Perhaps they would eventually dispense with a card and have us all "chipped" like animals by placing such a device just under the skin.
At the moment all non EEC immigrants legally here have ID cards AND all people from other EEC countries HAVE to carry ID in Europe. That only leaves us British and any illegal immigrants not necessarily carrying ID. I think its more likely that those here illegally will be attempting either to forge or steal the ID of others and that really is my main fear of making it compulsory to produce or carry ID.

[raynaputi]

Well if you're a driver, you need to have your driving license with you all the time right? You shouldn't drive if you don't bring your driving license. Also, don't BRP cards and driving licenses have digital photos? They even get your fingerprints when you apply for a BRP card. I'm sure authorities can determine if a passport is tampered or fake. I think if my IDs are stolen, it would just indicate that I'm too careless with my things for that to happen. Then the first thing I must do after the theft is to inform the authorities about it to prevent identity theft. This has always been told/written in the forms and websites of UKBA, DVLA, etc. You can't let days/weeks/months/years pass by without informing the authorities about the theft.

And if someone else is using my identifications, I would insist for a fingerprint scan if worse comes to worst because no one can have the same fingerprint as yours, unless the thief is like a James Bond character who can make a copy of your fingerprint and such. Birth certificates, even though it's a clear identification of where you were born and your nationality, because it doesn't contain your photo (whether past/present photo) and/or fingerprints, it can just be considered as secondary identification. I know everything is possible but you sure would have a lot of ways in proving who you are if your identity would be stolen (dental and medical records, etc.).

I think these checks that are introduced now are actually good because the authorities are doing something that actually would show results in getting these illegal immigrants out of the country, at least knowing exactly where & who they are. I can't get it when people complain how many illegals are living in the country and yet when an effective way of getting these illegals removed from the country are introduced, the racist card is always shown. :Erm:

Anyway, I'm an immigrant in this country and I don't find anything offensive with all these checks that are happening now. Check all my IDs and papers all the time they want, I won't be bothered. As long as they won't be mean to me after they found out I'm legally here, then I won't find it being racist. I was asking Keith when I got here, how come the authorities haven't done some checking with the immigrants coming here. I think it's time they do this. We all know immigration of this country has failed so badly and this is one thing the authorities can show that they are doing their bits to correct some things, one step at a time.

[grahamw48]

Rayna...respect. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

Well said Rayna and thanks for rep :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[raynaputi]

Thanks Graham and Les. It's just time for the authorities to finally do something with illegal immigrants. And these checks are just the tip of the iceberg really. It's us who are doing everything legally that are suffering because of them right? I too can't take this so much trouble we experience now because they are targeting the wrong people. Deal with the illegals too and not just us legal immigrants.

I have registered to an NHS dentist here in Denbigh and on Monday, I finally have an appointment. Guess what I ask them before confirming my appointment, "Do I have to bring my IDs and some papers (proof of address)?". The lady on the other line said I don't have to, but still, I would bring it to be safe and in case they ask for any proof of whatever. As an immigrant, I have to do my part to prevent any troubles. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Pete/London]

Well said Rayna :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Listening to radio phone ins a lot of other immigrants to this country also agree with the steps being taken..

[Iani]

Ahhh Godwins law :wink:

As for anyone (not on here) somehow suggesting this is raaaacist, oh get a grip. As this is Britain, it's an inescapable fact that any illegal immigrants are very unlikely to be white grannies.

Anyway, no doubt the politicians will keep continuing to fiddle away whilst......well Rome isn't burning yet but don't be complacent.

[Arthur Little]

Personally ... I don't see any problem(s) in the issue of 'National Identity Cards' right across the board. So long as they HAVEN'T committed a crime, then people have nothing to fear. :nono-1-1: ... let's face it ... :anerikke: ... each and every driver MUST, by law, carry his/her Driving Licence, and (as has already been pointed out) is expected to be able to produce this document whenever requested by the police and/or other legalised authorities.

[grahamw48]

Try opening a bank account without any ID...to give them some of YOUR money. :NoNo:

[lordna]

Personally ... I don't see any problem(s) in the issue of 'National Identity Cards' right across the board. So long as they HAVEN'T committed a crime, then people have nothing to fear. :nono-1-1: ... let's face it ... :anerikke: ... each and every driver MUST, by law, carry his/her Driving Licence, and (as has already been pointed out) is expected to be able to produce this document whenever requested by the police and/or other legalised authorities.

Arthur i dont believe its anything different in Scotland but here if you are driving a car, you must HAVE a full or provisional license. You do NOT have to carry it with you when driving but if you don't MUST produce it at a police station within 7 days.

Thats very different to saying you MUST carry it all times. Correction also to theprevious post by Rayna.

[lordna]

Some opinions on here seems to favour the issue of National Identity Cards, which i find suprising.
I am no fan of our current coalition government but I do agree with these extracts from a speech given by Nick Clegg on Freedom in the UK in 2010.

This morning I want to talk about freedom.

For too long new laws and regulations have taken away people’s freedoms, interfered in everyday life, and made it difficult for businesses to get by.
The state has crept further and further into people’s homes, the places they work, their private lives.
That intrusion is wrong; it’s illiberal; it’s disempowering and it’s going to change.

First, civil liberties
One of the Coalition’s immediate acts was to halt ID cards.
Plans are underway to restrict the storage of innocent people’s DNA; to properly regulate CCTV; to restore the right to non-violent protest; to protect trial by jury.

Our ambition is to create a society where no law-abiding individual ever feels intimidated by the state, just for going about their day-to-day business.
Where people aren’t cast under suspicion simply because of who they are, or where they’re from

But that means redoubling our efforts to restore the great British traditions of freedom and fairness.
The culture of snooping and mistrust has become so ingrained that we must tackle it with renewed vigour.
Don’t accept it.
If you’re sick of the state prying into your private affairs, tell us.
If you feel harassed when you haven’t done anything wrong, tell us
If there are ways that we can better protect your dignity, tell us
And tell us what you want us to do about it too.

The purpose of the law is to protect and empower citizens.
That is the only time the state ever has the right to restrict your behaviour.

This government is determined to give people back their freedom.
But we cannot do it without you.
So be demanding about your liberty, be insistent about your rights..

[andy222]

And you dont think they will be able to fake ID cards? How many Ali's and Khans are there in this country? They do the same with their driving licenses.

[lordna]

Well if you're a driver, you need to have your driving license with you all the time right? You shouldn't drive if you don't bring your driving license. Also, don't BRP cards and driving licenses have digital photos? They even get your fingerprints when you apply for a BRP card. I'm sure authorities can determine if a passport is tampered or fake. I think if my IDs are stolen, it would just indicate that I'm too careless with my things for that to happen. Then the first thing I must do after the theft is to inform the authorities about it to prevent identity theft. This has always been told/written in the forms and websites of UKBA, DVLA, etc. You can't let days/weeks/months/years pass by without informing the authorities about the theft.

And if someone else is using my identifications, I would insist for a fingerprint scan if worse comes to worst because no one can have the same fingerprint as yours, unless the thief is like a James Bond character who can make a copy of your fingerprint and such. Birth certificates, even though it's a clear identification of where you were born and your nationality, because it doesn't contain your photo (whether past/present photo) and/or fingerprints, it can just be considered as secondary identification. I know everything is possible but you sure would have a lot of ways in proving who you are if your identity would be stolen (dental and medical records, etc.).

I think these checks that are introduced now are actually good because the authorities are doing something that actually would show results in getting these illegal immigrants out of the country, at least knowing exactly where & who they are. I can't get it when people complain how many illegals are living in the country and yet when an effective way of getting these illegals removed from the country are introduced, the racist card is always shown. :Erm:

Anyway, I'm an immigrant in this country and I don't find anything offensive with all these checks that are happening now. Check all my IDs and papers all the time they want, I won't be bothered. As long as they won't be mean to me after they found out I'm legally here, then I won't find it being racist. I was asking Keith when I got here, how come the authorities haven't done some checking with the immigrants coming here. I think it's time they do this. We all know immigration of this country has failed so badly and this is one thing the authorities can show that they are doing their bits to correct some things, one step at a time.

1). Please see response to Arthurs post...you do NOT need to carry your driving licence...a popular misconception.
2). As a law abiding driver and having been at the same addresss for numerous years i do NOT have a photo on my driving licence. I also have no desire to change it when they now charge extra to issue a photocard type licence. My licence is valid and thats all that is required. The licence issued to me is not a convenient size that one would want to carry it all times.
3). Identity theft can and does often happen without you being aware and it can be some weeks before you discover it has happened. In that scenario it becomes increasingly difficult to recover from it which really was the sort of situation i was reffering to. Of course you are correct that on discovering the theft of any important documents you should notify the appropriate authorities and the police as soon as possible.
4) forgery of documents is now becoming the interest of organised crime and consequently forgeries of important documents are becoming more and more difficult to detect.
5) Yes, fingerprints would prove your identity but most law abiding UK citizens have NEVER had fingerprints taken. Having them taken as a matter of routine would be seen by many as an erosian of our civil liberties and contrary to the speech (posted above) by Nick Clegg.
6) you say you dont mind authorities asking for your ID (As long as they are Nice to you)....but i think its exactly that point...in this case the Immigration Officers were found to be NOT being nice and infact demanding non white people produce ID.
7) Failure of immigration in this country is down to successive governments allowing EEC member countries people having the right to seek work here and very little to do with Non EEC country people being here. It also has to do with inadequate border controls and the fact that no checks are made on those leaving the UK. How can you control what you can't even count?

[lordna]

Try opening a bank account without any ID...to give them some of YOUR money. :NoNo:

You're 100% correct that trying to open a bank account without ID is an impossibility.

However if your a criminal and have the desire to open an account then you will find ways to obtain fraudulent ID. FACT Its very easy to obtain a registered copy of ANY birth certificate or Marriage certificate for the sum of just £9.50 i believe. This is a VERY good starting point to setting up ID in another name.

Using this as a starting point its probably very easy to obtain other id if you wanted to.

[Janedan0913]

Well if you're a driver, you need to have your driving license with you all the time right? You shouldn't drive if you don't bring your driving license. Also, don't BRP cards and driving licenses have digital photos? They even get your fingerprints when you apply for a BRP card. I'm sure authorities can determine if a passport is tampered or fake. I think if my IDs are stolen, it would just indicate that I'm too careless with my things for that to happen. Then the first thing I must do after the theft is to inform the authorities about it to prevent identity theft. This has always been told/written in the forms and websites of UKBA, DVLA, etc. You can't let days/weeks/months/years pass by without informing the authorities about the theft.

And if someone else is using my identifications, I would insist for a fingerprint scan if worse comes to worst because no one can have the same fingerprint as yours, unless the thief is like a James Bond character who can make a copy of your fingerprint and such. Birth certificates, even though it's a clear identification of where you were born and your nationality, because it doesn't contain your photo (whether past/present photo) and/or fingerprints, it can just be considered as secondary identification. I know everything is possible but you sure would have a lot of ways in proving who you are if your identity would be stolen (dental and medical records, etc.).

I think these checks that are introduced now are actually good because the authorities are doing something that actually would show results in getting these illegal immigrants out of the country, at least knowing exactly where & who they are. I can't get it when people complain how many illegals are living in the country and yet when an effective way of getting these illegals removed from the country are introduced, the racist card is always shown. :Erm:

Anyway, I'm an immigrant in this country and I don't find anything offensive with all these checks that are happening now. Check all my IDs and papers all the time they want, I won't be bothered. As long as they won't be mean to me after they found out I'm legally here, then I won't find it being racist. I was asking Keith when I got here, how come the authorities haven't done some checking with the immigrants coming here. I think it's time they do this. We all know immigration of this country has failed so badly and this is one thing the authorities can show that they are doing their bits to correct some things, one step at a time.


:iagree::appl:

[andy222]

Freedom for people who are legal here YES. I agree. The illegals boot them out. Asylum seekers are another lot they should clamp down on. Eg a Iraqi moved in by us has 8 kids and obviously doesnt work he is better off than me and a few on here and we have to work. :cwm23:. If this happened on our estate 30 years ago his feet wouldnt have touched the ground.:Brick:. Mind you there is time yet. :biggrin:.

[andy222]

Anyway, I'm an immigrant in this country and I don't find anything offensive with all these checks that are happening now. Check all my IDs and papers all the time they want, I won't be bothered. As long as they won't be mean to me after they found out I'm legally here, then I won't find it being racist. I was asking Keith when I got here, how come the authorities haven't done some checking with the immigrants coming here. I think it's time they do this. We all know immigration of this country has failed so badly and this is one thing the authorities can show that they are doing their bits to correct some things, one step at a time.
The difference is you're married to a true brit and you are legal.

[Arthur Little]

Arthur i dont believe its anything different in Scotland but here if you are driving a car, you must HAVE a full or provisional license. You do NOT have to carry it with you when driving but if you don't MUST produce it at a police station within 7 days.


Oh well ... :anerikke: ... I'm NOT a driver, so I stand corrected. But I still believe ID cards wouldn't be such a bad idea, nonetheless.

[raynaputi]

6) you say you dont mind authorities asking for your ID (As long as they are Nice to you)....but i think its exactly that point...in this case the Immigration Officers were found to be NOT being nice and infact demanding non white people produce ID.


What I said was after they've checked that I'm a legal immigrant here, and they would be mean to me even if they have my proof, then that would be racist. I don't think asking for some identification is racist. This overreaction about just being asked for identification of someone's legality in this country is absurd, whether they were asked because they look Asian and not white. I've seen a Brazilian lady being interviewed about the check that happened. She said that the immigration officers just asked the people who got out of the coach for some IDs to check if they are legal here. She didn't find it offensive and said it's not a problem. I can't see what's offensive about it either.

I can't believe there are people here who complained about the troubles bringing their wives/partner in the UK are now protecting these illegals and saying what's happening is racist when they are only asked to prove they have the right to stay here. :icon_lol: I would rather be asked by these officials instead of them not doing such checks. I don't know, it's so laughable really. :icon_lol: The whole country is a soft touch when it comes to these illegals to be frank. They want them out but can't even approve the checks that should be made years ago. At least there are still some here in the forum who talk sense.

[lordna]

What I said was after they've checked that I'm a legal immigrant here, and they would be mean to me even if they have my proof, then that would be racist. I don't think asking for some identification is racist. This overreaction about just being asked for identification of someone's legality in this country is absurd, whether they were asked because they look Asian and not white. I've seen a Brazilian lady being interviewed about the check that happened. She said that the immigration officers just asked the people who got out of the coach for some IDs to check if they are legal here. She didn't find it offensive and said it's not a problem. I can't see what's offensive about it either.

I can't believe there are people here who complained about the troubles bringing their wives/partner in the UK are now protecting these illegals and saying what's happening is racist when they are only asked to prove they have the right to stay here. :icon_lol: I would rather be asked by these officials instead of them not doing such checks. I don't know, it's so laughable really. :icon_lol: The whole country is a soft touch when it comes to these illegals to be frank. They want them out but can't even approve the checks that should be made years ago. At least there are still some here in the forum who talk sense.

I didn't say asking for ID was racist...although asking for ID without having the Immigration officer having first explaine his reasons for stopping you and that he has some form of evidence that you may be here illegally IS contrary to the UKBA manual(already listed earlier) rules that they should be following. I did say that selecting people on the basis of their colour was Racist and also contrary to the UKBA rules. If the person concerned didn't find it offensive then fine but some did and their complaints are justified. Lets not forget the vast majority of people concerned here were NOT illegally in the country and as British citizens of whatever colour ARE entitled to be treated with respect and in the words of Nick Clegg where no law-abiding individual ever feels intimidated by the state, just for going about their day-to-day business.
Where people aren’t cast under suspicion simply because of who they are, or where they’re from
Your misinformed if you think i am protecting illegal immigrants because UKBA are NOT following their own rulebook. I am however concerned for the majority who are legal and deserve to be treated corerctly despite the small number that clearly are not and deserve to be politely and efficiently removed from our shores.

[grahamw48]

You're 100% correct that trying to open a bank account without ID is an impossibility.

However if your a criminal and have the desire to open an account then you will find ways to obtain fraudulent ID. FACT Its very easy to obtain a registered copy of ANY birth certificate or Marriage certificate for the sum of just £9.50 i believe. This is a VERY good starting point to setting up ID in another name.

Using this as a starting point its probably very easy to obtain other id if you wanted to.

My friend, I am fully aware of the ease with which crooks can carry out fraudulent activities, just as it is equally easy for a criminal to wrap a banana in a paper bag and pull off a successfull bank robbery.

However, WHY do people like you have to drag into any debate the EXTREME to try to make your point ? :NoNo:

There are thousands of people driving around without car insurance or driving licences too...even more without lights on their bikes.

So, do you want us to abandon law and order, rules and regulations so that a tiny minority of whining handwringers can correct all the petty injustices they have time on their hands to get ulcers over...instead minding their own bloody business ?

This society is (or WAS) run for the GREATER GOOD.

[lordna]

My friend, I am fully aware of the ease with which crooks can carry out fraudulent activities, just as it is equally easy for a criminal to wrap a banana in a paper bag and pull off a successfull bank robbery.

However, WHY do people like you have to drag into any debate the EXTREME to try to make your point ? :NoNo:

There are thousands of people driving around without car insurance or driving licences too...even more without lights on their bikes.

So, do you want us to abandon law and order, rules and regulations so that a tiny minority of whining handwringers can correct all the petty injustices they have time on their hands get ulcers over...instead minding their own bloody business ?

This society is (or WAS) run for the GREATER GOOD.

OK Hands up! i suppose it is EXTREME Graham. You being British you are probably fully aware of how easily false identity can be obtained BUT i was just trying to point out to some on here who may not be aware that its so easily possible and at low cost.

I really DO NOT want to "abandon law and order, rules and regulations", infact part of what i am trying to argue is that Immigration officers adhere to "law and order, rules and regulations" for the "GREATER GOOD", in this case the vast majority stopped by them who were clearly NOT illegal immigrants and possibly mostly already British citizens. If the Immigration officers were following their own rules then it would have been for the greater good and probably not even reported in the media in the first place.

[Dedworth]

My friend, I am fully aware of the ease with which crooks can carry out fraudulent activities, just as it is equally easy for a criminal to wrap a banana in a paper bag and pull off a successfull bank robbery.

However, WHY do people like you have to drag into any debate the EXTREME to try to make your point ? :NoNo:

There are thousands of people driving around without car insurance or driving licences too...even more without lights on their bikes.

So, do you want us to abandon law and order, rules and regulations so that a tiny minority of whining handwringers can correct all the petty injustices they have time on their hands get ulcers over...instead minding their own bloody business ?

This society is (or WAS) run for the GREATER GOOD.

Good job hand-wringers and politically correct apologists weren't around in World War Two - Hitler would have walked straight in

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[grahamw48]

OK Hands up! i suppose it is EXTREME Graham. You being British you are probably fully aware of how easily false identity can be obtained BUT i was just trying to point out to some on here who may not be aware that its so easily possible and at low cost.

I really DO NOT want to "abandon law and order, rules and regulations", infact part of what i am trying to argue is that Immigration officers adhere to "law and order, rules and regulations" for the "GREATER GOOD", in this case the vast majority stopped by them who were clearly NOT illegal immigrants and possibly mostly already British citizens. If the Immigration officers were following their own rules then it would have been for the greater good and probably not even reported in the media in the first place.

Oh, so you were there when the checks were carried out ? :Erm:

Ok, I'm happy to accept that you have some sort of super powers that enable you to sort the wheat from the chaff, but I'm afraid that if I was a UKBA officer, I'd have to use a system involving 'probability', based on the intelligence that was available to me, and beforehand, the not inconsiderable resources of my employers.

It may upset the odd sensitive person's little applecart, but then to fit into society we all have to accept the odd inconveniences....like traffic jams and queues...and not being able to pee in the street, or smoke in a restaurant, or wear shoes in a mosque. A good thing we don't all kick off because we feel slighted at our particular personal freedom being restricted. Then there WOULD be chaos.

[lordna]

Oh, so you were there when the checks were carried out ? :Erm:

Ok, I'm happy to accept that you have some sort of super powers that enable you to sort the wheat from the chaff, but I'm afraid that if I was a UKBA officer, I'd have to use a system involving 'probability', based on the intelligence that was available to me, and beforehand, the not inconsiderable resources of my employers.

It may upset the odd sensitive person's little applecart, but then to fit into society we all have to accept the odd inconveniences....like traffic jams and queues...and not being able to pee in the street, or smoke in a restaurant, or wear shoes in a mosque. A good thing we don't all kick off because we feel slighted at our particular personal freedom being restricted. Then there WOULD be chaos.

Clearly i wasn't there but doing what most of us do and thats go by what is reported in the press. In particular http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/newsflash-uk-border-agency-id-checking-people-of-colour-at-train-stations/

I think its VERY WRONG that immigration officers think they can be heavy handed with the public. If they acted according to their rules then there will be a record of ALL the people stopped as they must of had evidence they were breaking the law in the first place. Out of all those stopped 3 were arrested, i wonder what percentage that is that had to bear aggressive behaviour for no apparent reason other than just going freely about their business? Its a good thing some of us do "Kick off" else maybe personal freedoms you currently enjoy and take for granted may soon disappear as it has done throughout history in other countries and where people have been subjected to persecution or even just disappeared overnight. IMHO Theresa May needs to make a statement about what actually happened here as clearly what is reported to have happened from witnesses and Nick Cleggs speech on Freedom (see earlier) seem to be a complete contradiction of government policy.

Having said that i do understand your point of view although it does differ from mine significantly. But at least i hope we both appreciate that we live in a country where at least we can have a different opinion and still be able to voice it. If people are not able to question what goes on or just accept it, what then?

[grahamw48]

Well, clearly we do have different views on this (I don't read newspapers, incidentally), so let's leave it at that and stay friends. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lordna]

well gladly i am not the only one who feels this is wrong.

Shadow immigration minister Chris Bryant said: ''The Home Secretary said that it is unacceptable to stop someone simply on the basis of their ethnicity.

[lordna]

Well, clearly we do have different views on this (I don't read newspapers, incidentally), so let's leave it at that and stay friends. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Yes please!... thanks for tolerating my views!

[joebloggs]

if you can't stop and question people how are you going to find out if someone has a legal right to be in the UK? ask them to attend an interview next week :biggrin:. if you can't , then surely word will get around, 'come to the UK, the police and border agency cant question you', you can just refuse and walk away, that will just encourage more to come :Erm:

illegal immigrants in the UK have been estimated to be up to 1m :yikes:, 150,000 of those have been REFUSED permission to stay in the UK and are still here.

its because little has been done to stop this that's encouraged more and more to come here, imagine 1 out of 60 people you see on the street has no legal right to be here, how are they living in the uk, are they illegally working or committing crime? where are they living, are they been exploited, are they paying tax? using the nhs ?etc..

it shows you the scale of the problem when 140 people were arrested in 1 day :NoNo:

[raynaputi]

if you can't stop and question people how are you going to find out if someone has a legal right to be in the UK? ask them to attend an interview next week :biggrin:. if you can't , then surely word will get around, 'come to the UK, the police and border agency cant question you', you can just refuse and walk away, that will just encourage more to come :Erm:

illegal immigrants in the UK have been estimated to be up to 1m :yikes:, 150,000 of those have been REFUSED permission to stay in the UK and are still here.

its because little has been done to stop this that's encouraged more and more to come here, imagine 1 out of 60 people you see on the street has no legal right to be here, how are they living in the uk, are they illegally working or committing crime? where are they living, are they been exploited, are they paying tax? using the nhs ?etc..

it shows you the scale of the problem when 140 people were arrested in 1 day :NoNo:

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

if you can't stop and question people how are you going to find out if someone has a legal right to be in the UK? ask them to attend an interview next week :biggrin:. if you can't , then surely word will get around, 'come to the UK, the police and border agency cant question you', you can just refuse and walk away, that will just encourage more to come :Erm:

illegal immigrants in the UK have been estimated to be up to 1m :yikes:, 150,000 of those have been REFUSED permission to stay in the UK and are still here.

its because little has been done to stop this that's encouraged more and more to come here, imagine 1 out of 60 people you see on the street has no legal right to be here, how are they living in the uk, are they illegally working or committing crime? where are they living, are they been exploited, are they paying tax? using the nhs ?etc..

it shows you the scale of the problem when 140 people were arrested in 1 day :NoNo:

:xxgrinning--00xx3: Common sense post Joe but remember Enforcement Officers must quickly check that they're abiding by Chapter 31, Section 19, sub paragraph 3 when they pull over a suspicious looking character

Some suckers just like millions of illegals bleeding our country dry

[London_Manila]

Who cares who they stop anyway

If the people have the right immigration status then they have nothing to worry about

I am sure that some of these do-gooders would have it that no one is ever stopped

This country is bursting at the seams with illegals and its about time something is done about it

The police in London get all these kind of complaints when they target certain ethnic groups who it is well proven commit most of the street crime

The Uk border agency should target the whole London underground network not just a few token stations

[Pete/London]

Anyway I still bet there`s more than 140 coming in to the country everyday so its only a way to look as though somethings being done.

Peter Hitchens called it right in his column today in the Mail,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2384272/PETER-HITCHENS-Dont-blame-immigrants--arent-ones-wrecking-Britain.html

[lordna]

Who cares who they stop anyway

If the people have the right immigration status then they have nothing to worry about

I am sure that some of these do-gooders would have it that no one is ever stopped

This country is bursting at the seams with illegals and its about time something is done about it

The police in London get all these kind of complaints when they target certain ethnic groups who it is well proven commit most of the street crime

The Uk border agency should target the whole London underground network not just a few token stations

Lets look at the statistics quoted on here in previous posts. 140 arrested and 1 in 60 are illegal. That means 140 times 60 = 840 or around that number would have been stopped and asked about their immigration status.

I am sure most people dont mind being stopped IF THEY ARE STOPPED AND QUESTIONED IN THE RIGHT WAY. This also means that the Immigration Officers had reason to suspect that 840 people were committing an immigration offence? I don't think so. Clearly these 840 were found to be legal immigrants or british citizens both groups who have the same rights as you or me to be treated fairly, politely and with respect. The press reports are indicating that this was NOT the case.

Perhaps there are a lot of illegal immigrants but who has the true figure anyway as the government dont keep the statistics, its just a guess! Illegal immigrants are still the minority and as I believe Graham has mentioned any laws etc should be for the greater good. That being the case , immigration officers need to follow their own rules and treat all people stopped with respect.If they then prove they have an illegal immigrant Then the person concerned should be removed from the UK as efficiently as possible but firmly and with respect. Our reputation as a country is important that both legal and illegal immigrants get the message we will not tolerate illegals BUT legal immigrants and UK rersidents ARE treated fairly by everyone.

I seem to be repeating myself a lot here so I don't plan on saying anything further on this matter as clearly others here do not share my opinion or are not prepared to critisize the opinions of others.

[joebloggs]

Lets look at the statistics quoted on here in previous posts. 140 arrested and 1 in 60 are illegal. That means 140 times 60 = 840 or around that number would have been stopped and asked about their immigration status.

I am sure most people dont mind being stopped IF THEY ARE STOPPED AND QUESTIONED IN THE RIGHT WAY. This also means that the Immigration Officers had reason to suspect that 840 people were committing an immigration offence? I don't think so. Clearly these 840 were found to be legal immigrants or british citizens both groups who have the same rights as you or me to be treated fairly, politely and with respect. The press reports are indicating that this was NOT the case.

Perhaps there are a lot of illegal immigrants but who has the true figure anyway as the government dont keep the statistics, its just a guess! Illegal immigrants are still the minority and as I believe Graham has mentioned any laws etc should be for the greater good. That being the case , immigration officers need to follow their own rules and treat all people stopped with respect.If they then prove they have an illegal immigrant Then the person concerned should be removed from the UK as efficiently as possible but firmly and with respect. Our reputation as a country is important that both legal and illegal immigrants get the message we will not tolerate illegals BUT legal immigrants and UK rersidents ARE treated fairly by everyone.

I seem to be repeating myself a lot here so I don't plan on saying anything further on this matter as clearly others here do not share my opinion or are not prepared to critisize the opinions of others.

if say 840 were questioned, from the reports I've read, but i may be wrong, its other people who have said that it appears UBKA were stopping non whites only. i don't think I've read an interview or press article from someone who was actually stopped.

if they were treated badly why haven't these non white people who were stopped talked to the press ? until we've read from people who were actually interviewed we don't know how they think they were treated.

[raynaputi]

if say 840 were questioned, from the reports I've read, but i may be wrong, its other people who have said that it appears UBKA were stopping non whites only. i don't think I've read an interview or press article from someone who was actually stopped.

if they were treated badly why haven't these non white people who were stopped talked to the press ? until we've read from people who were actually interviewed we don't know how they think they were treated.

It was shown in Sky News, they interviewed a lady. What she said was UKBA asked everyone in the station when she was there. She said that immigration officers informed them that they are conducting some checks. The lady said she didn't find it offensive at all or racist. I would try to look a video of it. I've seen it the other night.

EDIT: Video's here.. http://news.sky.com/story/1123466/home-office-immigration-tactics-investigated (http://news.sky.com/story/1123466/home-office-immigration-tactics-investigated) Take note that the guy they arrested (getting in the van) has a white skin.

[grahamw48]

HOT thread. :biggrin:

I've said my piece though. :ReadIt:

Except to say....I have asked the views of the coffee-coloured young man and the EU (Swedish) national young lady currently residing in my house for their views on this.

Both say they are 'not bovverd'. :icon_lol:

My step-son (pictured) says he don't give a :censored: :biggrin:

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http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/57/zrxz.jpg

[Dedworth]

I didn't say asking for ID was racist...

However you did say this :-


Perhaps some on here would have preferred it if the Nazis were in power then we would all have to show id and maybe wear a star on our clothing.

aimed at those anti illegal immigration amongst us who feel it is correct for the authorities to be making these checks.

I'm going to London next week and have no objection if stopped for a check, I'm legal and don't have a chip on my shoulder.

[lordna]

However you did say this :-



aimed at those anti illegal immigration amongst us who feel it is correct for the authorities to be making these checks.

I'm going to London next week and have no objection if stopped for a check, I'm legal and don't have a chip on my shoulder.

Most people including myself are against illegal immigration and i didn't say i was against immigration checks.I thought i had made it clear that i DO think checks need to be carried out lawfully, please accept my apologiesfor not making it clearer as you obviously mis interpreted my earlier posts.

Obviously you missed reading what i said in post #65 which as i wrote it would naturally imply i include myself...copied below to save you trying to find it:-

I am sure most people dont mind being stopped IF THEY ARE STOPPED AND QUESTIONED IN THE RIGHT WAY.

You seem to have also missed what i already said in post #32 again copied below just for you:-

If a police or immigration officer gives a valid reason ie he/she can demonstrate that an immigration or other offence is being commited, then i have no objection to identifying myself.

[Dedworth]

Most people including myself are against illegal immigration and i didn't say i was against immigration checks.I thought i had made it clear that i DO think checks need to be carried out lawfully, please accept my apologiesfor not making it clearer as you obviously mis interpreted my earlier posts.

Obviously you missed reading what i said in post #65 which as i wrote it would naturally imply i include myself...copied below to save you trying to find it:-

I am sure most people dont mind being stopped IF THEY ARE STOPPED AND QUESTIONED IN THE RIGHT WAY.

You seem to have also missed what i already said in post #32 again copied below just for you:-

If a police or immigration officer gives a valid reason ie he/she can demonstrate that an immigration or other offence is being commited, then i have no objection to identifying myself.

You fail to convince me. Your posts on this thread and others give a very clear impression that you are against ridding our country of illegals.

[bigmarco]

I feel that desperate times call for desperate measures. I think 15 years of this laid back liberal attitude has left this country in an appalling state. We're at the point now that nobody has a clue as to how many illegals are here.
I really have no problem with profiling when carrying out these checks because it seems the common sense thing to do the same way the security services were using profiling when looking for extremist bombers on our streets and airports.
I'm sure the majority of people have no problem whatsoever in producing ID if asked it's just unfortunate that the media seem to give too much attention to the minority who go round screaming about human rights.

[grahamw48]

Under the candy-coated veneer that the liberal do-gooders have tried to cover our society with, there is still a big bad world out there full of bad people...but let's pretend that it just is not true...and draw the curtains. :NoNo:

[London_Manila]

Lets look at the statistics quoted on here in previous posts. 140 arrested and 1 in 60 are illegal. That means 140 times 60 = 840 or around that number would have been stopped and asked about their immigration status.

I am sure most people dont mind being stopped IF THEY ARE STOPPED AND QUESTIONED IN THE RIGHT WAY. This also means that the Immigration Officers had reason to suspect that 840 people were committing an immigration offence? I don't think so. Clearly these 840 were found to be legal immigrants or british citizens both groups who have the same rights as you or me to be treated fairly, politely and with respect. The press reports are indicating that this was NOT the case.

Perhaps there are a lot of illegal immigrants but who has the true figure anyway as the government dont keep the statistics, its just a guess! Illegal immigrants are still the minority and as I believe Graham has mentioned any laws etc should be for the greater good. That being the case , immigration officers need to follow their own rules and treat all people stopped with respect.If they then prove they have an illegal immigrant Then the person concerned should be removed from the UK as efficiently as possible but firmly and with respect. Our reputation as a country is important that both legal and illegal immigrants get the message we will not tolerate illegals BUT legal immigrants and UK rersidents ARE treated fairly by everyone.

I seem to be repeating myself a lot here so I don't plan on saying anything further on this matter as clearly others here do not share my opinion or are not prepared to critisize the opinions of others.

Why should the immigration officer need any reason to suspect anything
Just fall in line and let them check and ask everyone
Having some weird criteria about who they can ask is just plain stupid
Most of these illegal immigrants get off with some lame excuse on their appeal anyway
normally something crass like their cat is pregnant and who will care for the kittens

I dont need anyone to tell me about numbers london is overrun with illegal immigrants

[lordna]

You fail to convince me. Your posts on this thread and others give a very clear impression that you are against ridding our country of illegals.

Not at all Only the ones that can't read properly would get that impression!I suggest you carefully reveiw exactly what i have written.

[malchard888]

I feel that desperate times call for desperate measures. I think 15 years of this laid back liberal attitude has left this country in an appalling state. We're at the point now that nobody has a clue as to how many illegals are here.
I really have no problem with profiling when carrying out these checks because it seems the common sense thing to do the same way the security services were using profiling when looking for extremist bombers on our streets and airports.
I'm sure the majority of people have no problem whatsoever in producing ID if asked it's just unfortunate that the media seem to give too much attention to the minority who go round screaming about human rights.

I agree entirely Marco, I carry ID around always and if the authorities want to see it then I will willingly show it.

[grahamw48]

Cute new profile pic malchard. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

A Bleeding Heart Liberal's take :-

Billboard vans which tell illegal immigrants to ‘go home’ could trigger racist vigilante violence against people from ethnic minorities, Cambridge’s MP fears.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge/Vigilante-violence-fear-over-immigration-billboard-campaign-20130806142522.htm

:laugher:

Doesn't do much for the morons chances of re-election

[grahamw48]

What a load of bullocks. :NoNo:

The majority of ordinary voters in this country simply want those who shouldn't be here REMOVED. End of. :anerikke:

[lordna]

A Bleeding Heart Liberal's take :-

Billboard vans which tell illegal immigrants to ‘go home’ could trigger racist vigilante violence against people from ethnic minorities, Cambridge’s MP fears.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge/Vigilante-violence-fear-over-immigration-billboard-campaign-20130806142522.htm

:laugher:

Doesn't do much for the morons chances of re-election

Moron?...I don't think so.....

The son of two academics (his father is the Australian-born geophysicist Herbert Huppert), Huppert has lived in Cambridge since he was a small child. Having attended The Perse School in the city, Huppert went on to study at Cambridge University, completing a BA (2000) and then a PhD (2005) in Biological Chemistry at Trinity College. He was elected a Junior Research Fellow of Trinity in 2004, and became a fellow of Clare College in 2009 (the College at which the previous Liberal Democrat MP for the city, David Howarth, was a member). He is also a Member of the Royal Society of Chemistry (MRSC) and the Institute of Physics (MInstP). He worked as a research scientist studying the structures of DNA as well as tutoring students

[malchard888]

Moron?...I don't think so.....

The son of two academics (his father is the Australian-born geophysicist Herbert Huppert), Huppert has lived in Cambridge since he was a small child. Having attended The Perse School in the city, Huppert went on to study at Cambridge University, completing a BA (2000) and then a PhD (2005) in Biological Chemistry at Trinity College. He was elected a Junior Research Fellow of Trinity in 2004, and became a fellow of Clare College in 2009 (the College at which the previous Liberal Democrat MP for the city, David Howarth, was a member). He is also a Member of the Royal Society of Chemistry (MRSC) and the Institute of Physics (MInstP). He worked as a research scientist studying the structures of DNA as well as tutoring students

He may be a noted academic but doesn't mean he has any common sense.

[lordna]

He may be a noted academic but doesn't mean he has any common sense.

That doesn't make him a Moron and given his academic record i think i would be more likely to listen to what he has to say than Dedworth for instance who i have noticed seems to have an inclination to try and discredit anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as himself. A strange practice really on a forum where the purpose is to get different peoples opinions.

[andy222]

Like I said before get the army back here and go door to door. That will sort it out.

[malchard888]

I remember Mary Beard a very notable academic on question time spouting rubbish about the situation in Boston and an awful lot of people thought that too !

[grahamw48]

Well of course when you want an expert opinion on your electrics you ask a plumber, don't you ? :icon_rolleyes:

[les_taxi]

That doesn't make him a Moron and given his academic record i think i would be more likely to listen to what he has to say than Dedworth for instance who i have noticed seems to have an inclination to try and discredit anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as himself. A strange practice really on a forum where the purpose is to get different peoples opinions.
Well along with most of the people on this subject I'm with Dedworth :xxgrinning--00xx3:
I think that many people with so called academic qualifications talk a load of crap,i have had them in the car and half of em are not in the 'real world'
Bet many politicians have good academic qualifications :icon_lol:
I think you should let this one go Lorda,we all seem to disagree with you and Dedworth will fight to get his point across and to me his point is valid

[lordna]

Well along with most of the people on this subject I'm with Dedworth :xxgrinning--00xx3:
I think that many people with so called academic qualifications talk a load of crap,i have had them in the car and half of em are not in the 'real world'
Bet many politicians have good academic qualifications :icon_lol:
I think you should let this one go Lorda,we all seem to disagree with you and Dedworth will fight to get his point across and to me his point is valid

Well malchard888 said "He may be a noted academic but doesn't mean he has any common sense." Although i commented on this, i can agree with this and your statement that "some academics talk a load of crap", although i wouldn't have put it quite that strongly. However that doesn't make Huppert a Moron. Bad choice of word ...but yes probably not worth arguing about as i know i am right! hehe.

[les_taxi]

Well malchard888 said "He may be a noted academic but doesn't mean he has any common sense." Although i commented on this, i can agree with this and your statement that "some academics talk a load of crap", although i wouldn't have put it quite that strongly. However that doesn't make Huppert a Moron. Bad choice of word ...but yes probably not worth arguing about as i know i am right! hehe.

I put it mildly and of course I'm right and you know I am :biggrin:
If not we put it to a vote:Jump:

[malchard888]

Many academics and indeed politicians for that matter are very clever people, but more often than not they dont live in the real world and what is obvious to the average person in the street seems to go straight over their heads

[London_Manila]

A Bleeding Heart Liberal's take :-

Billboard vans which tell illegal immigrants to ‘go home’ could trigger racist vigilante violence against people from ethnic minorities, Cambridge’s MP fears.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge/Vigilante-violence-fear-over-immigration-billboard-campaign-20130806142522.htm

:laugher:

Doesn't do much for the morons chances of re-election

I do think the posters on the vans is more about winning x Tory voters back who have jumped ship to UKIP

I cant really see many immigrants heading home or handing themselves in just because of a few posters

More of a PR exercise than anything else diba :wink:

[Arthur Little]

Cambridge’s MP fears.

Julian Huppert

:laughitupsmilie: ... hold on, Ded :Erm: ... are you sure you haven't got this geezer's name wrong? Isn't it Julian Muppet?