Doctors in The Dock

[Dedworth]

Indecent doctor struck off by the General Medical Council

Read more at http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Indecent-doctor-struck-General-Medical-Council/story-21107567-detail/story.html#2C5pjsHmkj0y7y5c.99

[joebloggs]

He did his medical degree at the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland

[Dedworth]

10/10 Joe

[mickcant]

Just shows Drs can have flaws too.
The woman Dr I try to see at my surgery I respect and listen to her advice.
Mick.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Doctor struck off for offering FGM advice

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/doctor-struck-off-for-offering-fgm-advice-9461000.html

This creature should be tried, jailed and deported

[les_taxi]

Doctor struck off for offering FGM advice

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/doctor-struck-off-for-offering-fgm-advice-9461000.html

This creature should be tried, jailed and deported
Cut his dick off :biggrin:

[Dedworth]

Doctor in £280,000 scam suspended for four months

Read more at http://www.nottinghampost.com/Doctor-pound-280-000-scam-suspended-months/story-21169370-detail/story.html#AbDWwahiVPh2MWTf.99

An out and out crook, should have been struck off and deported

[joebloggs]

Another British trained doctor :doh

BM BS 2001 University of Nottingham - sorry Dedworth, better luck next time :wink:

[Dedworth]

Another British trained doctor :doh

BM BS 2001 University of Nottingham - sorry Dedworth, better luck next time :wink:


Well done Joe, have you had a chance yet to check where the FGM Consultant (post 5 above) was trained :wink: ?

[joebloggs]

Well done Joe have you had a chance yet to check where the FGM Consultant (post 5 above) was trained :wink: ?

:Erm: I don't know, can't find him at the mo,

Search here .. http://webcache.gmc-uk.org/gmclrmp_enu/start.swe?SWECmd=GotoView&_sn=uw6EF9hCEZFqLzhWunoci8v8ek3qXh4yFhA8KJJ7YyI83UzbSSMtyiyIIWKYXJQZiIGioB73-YJautudK4Ee67JFw3UqN6TsmOdyVlb.0q28r8LugqS-GdEOgkrE0.rrt7t2yLcmDzNC2IsDMAejXM5zVuQW2XWBKYCRTdgWfGCdQYl1cTTMb4pqL0Q.zOhs&SWEView=GMC+WEB+Doctor+Search&SRN=&SWEHo=webcache.gmc-uk.org&SWETS=1401559520&SWEApplet=GMC+WEB+Health+Provider+Search+Applet

[Dedworth]

:Erm: I don't know, can't find him at the mo,

Search here ..

http://webcache.gmc-uk.org/gmclrmp_enu/start.swe?SWECmd=GotoView&_sn=uw6EF9hCEZFqLzhWunoci8v8ek3qXh4yFhA8KJJ7YyI83UzbSSMtyiyIIWKYXJQZiIGioB73-YJautudK4Ee67JFw3UqN6TsmOdyVlb.0q28r8LugqS-GdEOgkrE0.rrt7t2yLcmDzNC2IsDMAejXM5zVuQW2XWBKYCRTdgWfGCdQYl1cTTMb4pqL0Q.zOhs&SWEView=GMC+WEB+Doctor+Search&SRN=&SWEHo=webcache.gmc-uk.org&SWETS=1401559520&SWEApplet=GMC+WEB+Health+Provider+Search+Applet

That's the site I've looked at before, the problem is some of these maggots spell or present their names in different ways and undoubtedly there will be a number using false details.

Save a bit of time in future though Joe I didn't intend this thread to be purely foreign or foreign trained Docs but to highlight the number of ne'er-do-wells employed in the NHS.

Without doubt many will be foreign / foreign trained as is borne out by the struck off analysis and the GMC Disciplinary Panel Appointments Book

[joebloggs]

Well Dedworth, you've got to admit many of those with foreign names you had believed they had trained outside the UK, but in fact, many had trained in the UK. Probably some of them were even born here..

So I wonder how many of these who are struck off are from outside the UK but took their degree in the UK :cwm25:

[Dedworth]

So I wonder how many of these who are struck off are from outside the UK but took their degree in the UK :cwm25:

Well the figures state 75% of those struck off are trained abroad so 25% are UK trained either born here or overseas.

I think we should also include rogue dentists on his thread (UK or Foreign trained)

[joebloggs]

Well the figures state 75% of those struck off are trained abroad so 25% are UK trained either born here or overseas.

Exactly, but I've posted a few who took their degree here but were probably not born here, so less than 25% are British trained doctors who have been struck off. There must be a few who were not born here - but did their degree here - who have been struck off.

[Dedworth]

Princess Alexandra Hospital 'foot wash' emergency doctor struck off

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-27729428

Another shyster employed by "the envy of the world" NHS :cwm23: He tried to play the race card and lost :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

[B]
Another shyster employed by "the envy of the world" NHS :cwm23: He tried to play the race card and lost :icon_lol:

You know of one that is better, Dedworth :cwm25:

How many people are employed by the NHS Dedworth? From what I can see 1.35m, so you're going to get a few bad eggs out of that number :cwm25:

As for feet washing, I used to work with 2 Libyans and I once caught one washing his feet in the sink, disgusting :censored:

[Arthur Little]

Princess Alexandra Hospital 'foot wash' emergency doctor struck off

Dr Fazal Haque

An emergency department doctor who took off his socks and washed his feet in front of a patient has been struck off


:laughitupsmilie: ... bet he's "haqued off" about being struck off for taking his *socks off ... instead of "pulling *them up! :wink:

[Arthur Little]

The episode was one of a string of offences between 2009 to 2011 found proved by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service.

:doh ... should've been kept on a longer leash! :biggrin:


The foot-washing episode was recorded by a nurse who later discovered her report had been removed.

Hmm ... :anerikke: ... along with his sweaty socks presumably?


She found Dr Haque had taken the report and when she confronted him was told "he didn't want this matter to go any further and he was sorry (but) was rushing to wash before sunrise (for prayers)."

:yeahthat:'s Ramadan ... or - in his case - [the] "randan"!


Panel chairman Michele Codd said: "Dr Haque refuses to accept any form of criticism, and has a blinkered view of his own position and competence."

"Had dock"(ed) his salary when she smelled :readingpapers: something "fishy :cwm25: about the socks being removed by way of a "red herring"!



Another shyster employed by "the envy of the world" NHS :cwm23::icon_lol:

:cwm24: ... not so "shy" as to desist from removing his socks in front of a patient! :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

Junior doctor in court over child sex and indecent images charges

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27640087

[Dedworth]

A Scottish Doctor has been binned

Doctor struck off over faked letters

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/doctor-struck-off-over-faked-letters.24435144

[Dedworth]

Back to the usual suspects


Mersey GP guilty of groping in what was described as 'sexually motivated' behaviour

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mersey-gp-guilty-groping-what-7242043

[Dedworth]

Looks like Australia has similar problems :-

Former Bundaberg surgeon Jayant Patel will face a disciplinary hearing later this year after a referral by the Medical Board of Australia.

- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2014/06/11/jayant-patel-to-face-disciplinary-tribunal.html#sthash.8rO8GQJO.dpuf

[Dedworth]

A lashed up Romanian doctor this time

A doctor who was working at Wolverhampton's New Cross Hospital has been struck off after being caught more than three times over the drink drive limit - 35 minutes after finishing work.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/06/30/drunk-doctor-struck-off/

Disgraceful that the GMC gave her 2 previous chances with 4 and 9 month suspensions - to be honest it isn't clear from this report that she's permanently banned from practicing in the UK. So much for protecting patients and the public :cwm23:

[Dedworth]

South Tyneside 'twerking' doctor banned for serious misconduct

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/dr-mohamed-ahmed-south-tyneside-7396264

This deviant should be struck off not suspended

[Dedworth]

Why DID this happen? Anguish of parents whose newborn twin died because of bungling locum who struggled to speak English

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689359/Anguish-parents-newborn-twin-died-bungling-locum-struggled-speak-English.html#ixzz37CmDkqh9

Well done GMC a Witch Doctor suspended for a year - you couldn't make it up :mad:

[Dedworth]

Another completely inept "Doctor" given his P45 -



Locum histopathologist is struck off for clinical errors and lying

http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4741

Will Addenbrookes & Norfolk & Norwich have learnt anything from this ? I doubt it GMC Disciplinary Hearings are awash with these foreign shysters

[grahamw48]

Am I being naive in assuming that these foreign doctors are required to take a (high standard) entrance exam before being able to take up employment here, as well as providing checkable references ? :Erm:

[Dedworth]

Am I being naive in assuming that these foreign doctors are required to take a (high standard) entrance exam before being able to take up employment here, as well as providing checkable references ? :Erm:

I'm sorry to say it but you are very naive Graham :biggrin:

I'm also a sucker in thinking that this chancer should have faced criminal charges :-

Matters came to a head three months into his contract at Addenbrooke’s, when he was found to have added a colleague’s name to a pathology report without her knowledge. Ten days later he claimed in a different report that another colleague concurred with his findings, when in fact that colleague had made a different diagnosis. When his employers asked how this claim had come to be in the report, Tosounidis suggested that someone else had added it after he had completed his report. Three days after this incident he was dismissed, and a week later Addenbrooke’s reported him to the General Medical Council, citing “concerns about behaviour, competence and probity.”

[Doc Alan]

One might naively think from reading this thread that indeed our NHS is " awash with foreign shysters " :doh.


• Of the quarter million doctors registered with the GMC to work in the UK, about 2/3 qualified in the UK ; followed by India ( 1/10 ) ; then Pakistan, South Africa, and Nigeria. Around 1/1000 trained in the UK are struck off ; 1/250 of those trained in India, and 1/350 Pakistan.


• Most doctors do a good job, and it does morale no good to read constant criticism :NoNo:.


• Some might think more than 1/3000 doctors should be struck off – but how many is acceptable, given the cost and time of training ? ALL doctors are now " revalidated " – annual appraisal to ensure, as far as possible, they’re competent and fit to practice.


• Some would wish the NHS to have only UK medical graduates. There are enough applicants from our medical schools. But the UK is multicultural, and foreign graduates fill essential posts, including locums, often in undesirable areas, that our graduates don’t want ( and can’t be forced ) to take on. Some foreign graduates also have top medical and surgical jobs in the NHS and our universities. The UK can’t afford to do without the third of its doctors who are foreign ( 1/5 GPs ; 2/5 hospital doctors ) any time soon.


• In the Philippines if you can’t afford to live healthily and have treatment when needed, the consequences are serious. At least in the UK treatment is available to all, even if standards are not uniformly high ( and in places unacceptably low ).



• Should it be the GMC in the dock :doh ? They set standards for undergraduate and postgraduate medical training and they should call doctors to account / protect patients from avoidable harm. We do recognise they have their faults, tending to delay difficult cases for too long.


• GMC requires " acceptable overseas qualifications " which meet standards as close to our own as possible ( http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/acceptable_primary_medical_qualification.asp ). It has powers to check English language skills in international and ( now ) European medical graduates. Local appointment committees MUST scrutinise references in addition to checking qualifications and communication skills.


• The governing body of the GMC ( Council ) has 12 members, of which only half are doctors and half are " lay " ( non medical ) members.

Hearings for doctors whose fitness to practise are called into question are run by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service ( MPTS ). The standards are set by the GMC, but the MPTS makes independent decisions, and has the powers to impose sanctions. Not only are most of the hearings held in public, but the panels are made up of a mix of doctors and non-medical people. They are appointed through open competition. Vacancies are advertised on their site (http://www.mpts-uk.org/ ).



• I am not qualified to make judgements on all doctors whose practise falls seriously short of the standards expected of them. Some activities are self-evidently wrong ! But ALL doctors make mistakes. Others in the same specialty are best placed to judge whether the number of mistakes are compatible with their extent of training and responsibility. Should a surgeon be struck off because one patient died during an appendix operation ; or a pathologist likewise because a cancer was missed on biopsy ? Who would then attempt to do their work :doh ?



• These judgements cannot be made by one person alone :NoNo: – hence the balance of doctors and non-medics on the MPTS and GMC. One way to effect improvements is to be on the right committees, including patient representative and clinical commissioning groups.


Thankfully I’m not in the dock, and try to answer members’ questions, as well as picking topics which may be of interest to members from Philippines and UK :xxgrinning--00xx3:.

[grahamw48]

Thanks Alan. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Thanks Alan :xxgrinning--00xx3: after reading your informed write up I realise that after becoming somewhat enraged reading the British Medical Journal report I not for the first time, shot from the hip by glibly stating :-

"I doubt it the NHS is awash with these foreign shysters"

I've now changed it to :-

"I doubt it GMC Disciplinary Hearings are awash with these foreign shysters"

I know Joe would vehemently disagree but I think we do need to consider why a disproportionate number of Doctors up before the Disciplinary Panel are foreign. Here are a couple of links to my previous threads for those wishing to read a bit more detail :-

Half Of Foreign Doctors 'Not Trained Enough'
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/51987-Half-Of-Foreign-Doctors-Not-Trained-Enough?highlight=General+Medical+Council

Indian doctors are FOUR times more likely to be struck off than those trained in Britain
http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/52199-Indian-doctors-are-FOUR-times-more-likely-to-be-struck-off-than-those-trained-in-Britain?highlight=General+Medical+Council

The GMC have made the right decision in striking Ioannis Tosounidis off, I hope it is permanent with no chance of him creeping back into UK employment following appeal

[Doc Alan]

I'm glad to have helped both Graham and you, Dedworth :xxgrinning--00xx3:


As you know, I also gave informed responses, in depth, to your previous threads :smile:.

[London_Manila]

With the amount of litigation flying around these days and the "claim culture" being imported from the USA

I wonder why anyone would want to become a doctor :anerikke:

[Doc Alan]

With the amount of litigation flying around these days and the "claim culture" being imported from the USA
I wonder why anyone would want to become a doctor :anerikke:

Indeed ! But there are still many more applicants than places ( over 10 : 1 ) at medical school :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I'm fortunate to have had a rewarding career, in the dock frequently ... as an expert witness :smile: !

[Dedworth]

Crooked doctor hands back MBE

Read more: http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News/Bedford-Hospital-doctor-Anjan-Banerjee-gives-back-MBE-after-investigation-revealed-he-was-previous-struck-off-20140728093337.htm?#ixzz395jqmT8a

[grahamw48]

A crook is a crook is a crook.

:mad:

Not to be trusted EVER.

[joebloggs]

I know Joe would vehemently disagree but I think we do need to consider why a disproportionate number of Doctors up before the Disciplinary Panel are foreign. Here are a couple of links to my previous threads for those wishing to read a bit more detail :-


Well Dedworth, you can disagree all you want, I've proved you wrong, the fact is many of the doctors you've posted about were either British or went to uni here :doh

[Dedworth]

Well Dedworth, you can disagree all you want, I've proved you wrong, the fact is many of the doctors you've posted about were either British or went to uni here :doh


Proved me wrong, Many ????

For the sake of good order Joe give us the figures - and I'm talking foreign born "Doctors" not some shyster with a spurious foreign medical qualification on a dodgy student visa who enrolled at a "uni" here whist working as a cashier at the local BP filling station

[grahamw48]

I'm with you Dedworth.

Not so easy to pull the wool over our eyes. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Haematologist is struck off after lying about his involvement in car crash

http://blogs.bmj.com/test/2014/08/06/haematologist-is-struck-off-after-lying-about-his-involvement-in-car-crash/

Basic background check please Joe UK born, educated ?? :smile:

[Pete/London]

You know of one that is better, Dedworth :cwm25:

How many people are employed by the NHS Dedworth? From what I can see 1.35m, so you're going to get a few bad eggs out of that number :cwm25:

As for feet washing, I used to work with 2 Libyans and I once caught one washing his feet in the sink, disgusting :censored:

Hi all, it's been a long time since I visited the site, but interesting topic.

I was attending the Emergency Dept at Moorfields Eye Hospital in London on a Friday morning some weeks ago and you had to fight your way into the Gents toilet to take a leak and gave up on trying to wash my hands afterwards. The place was full of people barefoot, washing their feet in the basins, also cleaning their sinuses and blowing snot into the same basins. I have never seen anything like it.

The standards in this country have really so deteriorated that it seems pointless to protest.

[Dedworth]

Hi all, it's been a long time since I visited the site, but interesting topic.

I was attending the Emergency Dept at Moorfields Eye Hospital in London on a Friday morning some weeks ago and you had to fight your way into the Gents toilet to take a leak and gave up on trying to wash my hands afterwards. The place was full of people barefoot, washing their feet in the basins, also cleaning their sinuses and blowing snot into the same basins. I have never seen anything like it.

The standards in this country have really so deteriorated that it seems pointless to protest.

A complete disgrace :cwm23: I remember going there as a kid, the country's premier eye hospital has shamefully been turned over to health tourists and other undesirables.

NHS "the envy of the world" as leftist propagandists would have us believe :mad:

[Pete/London]

I since had both eyes operated on there and I am full of praise for the hospital, great treatment, and the consultant carrying out the ops is going through the menopause and had to stop during the op to remove some clothes so she could cool down. So funny...and eased the tension...:smile:.

It's up to the management and security staff to to sort the other problems out, but I think most of the security was also washing their feet at the time.

[Abigail]

I found this really interesting. I don't have a problem with 'foreign' doctors if they are good at their job and have the necessary skills and abilities. What I have a problem with is doctors of any nationality who do not know what they are talking about but assume that because they have the title of Doctor no matter what they say it is right.

I have a relatively unknown skin condition and am a member of various support groups for it and between us all we have tried every medication they offer us and we know that very few of them work or have limited results. However when you mention that to a doctor they tell you that they are the ones trained and who know best. Well I am sorry but sometimes that is just not the case!!

[Dedworth]

Another chancer "Dr"Abdel Elhassan is struck off :-

Doctor duped college to sit exam after failing seven times

- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/doctor-duped-college-to-sit-exam-after-failing-seven-times-30478698.html#sthash.ios0gZW9.dpuf

Check him out Joe :biggrin:

[Doc Alan]

The NHS is still the envy of many, not just " leftist propagandists ", and not least Filipinos, who, if they fall ill in their own country, may well not recover and even die if they can’t afford treatment :doh.



I’ve explained ( # 29 ) and elsewhere in the Forum, WHY the UK has so many foreign doctors, often in specialties which would otherwise be unfilled, in locations unpopular with UK graduates. With hindsight, some should never have been appointed, and have rightly been struck off. The system has improved in the 14 years since the late Leeds University graduate Dr Harold Shipman was found guilty of murdering his patients. Sadly it is unlikely EVER to be perfect.



• The vast majority of doctors and other healthcare workers ( of whatever nationality ) are dedicated to providing a good service and put their patients first;

• The " silent majority " ( both on the Forum and the UK public ) are happy with their treatment.


Ways to actively do something about perceived shortcomings of our NHS :-

• Informally, then formally if needed, complain about GPs or hospital doctors at a local level ( well established mechanisms to do so );

• Join local patient liaison committees, and/or national patient liaison groups ( every major specialty has one ) ;

• Attend public hearings / become a non-medical panellist on the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service - which runs the hearings for doctors whose fitness to practise is called into question ;


• Raise healthcare workers’ morale by appreciating GOOD treatment, and (re-)read my post 29 for helpful links :xxgrinning--00xx3: ;


• As for " doctors knowing best ", they should ALL practise " evidence-based " medicine ( giving reasons for diagnosis and treatment ). " Informed consent " is a requirement, meaning they have explained planned treatment BEFORE it is given. If you don’t understand, ask !


http://www.gmc-uk.org/concerns/making_a_complaint/3841.asp

[mickcant]

For me, I try and see the same lady Dr at my local practice, I tell her the truth with what is happening and trust what she recommends in way of treatment. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Mick. :smile:

[Dedworth]

I don't have a problem with 'foreign' doctors if they are good at their job and have the necessary skills and abilities.

I fully agree, we need them because unfortunately as Doc Alan has explained this country is incapable of producing the number of Doctors we require. Sadly 2 young men with bright medical futures were brutally murdered in Borneo yesterday

The purpose of this thread is to highlight the fact that a disproportionate number of Doctors up before the Disciplinary Panel are foreign and many of them should never have been employed by the NHS in the first place

[joebloggs]

Proved me wrong, Many ????

For the sake of good order Joe give us the figures - and I'm talking foreign born "Doctors" not some shyster with a spurious foreign medical qualification on a dodgy student visa who enrolled at a "uni" here whist working as a cashier at the local BP filling station

:crazy: Have you forgotten about the names of the docs you posted and I told you many of them had done their degree in the UK or Europe :wink:



Spurious foreign medical qualification

:doh first of all the Uni has to be recognised by the World Health Authority then the GMC check their degree and background. I know - I've been to the GMC in Manchester twice :doh

[Dedworth]

:crazy: Have you forgotten about the names of the docs you posted and I told you many of them had done their degree in the UK or Europe :wink:





A couple out of the many I've posted - why do you defend these rogues and not accept the fact that disproportionate number of those struck off are foreign :crazy:







:doh first of all the Uni has to be recognised by the World Health Authority then the GMC check their degree and background. I know - I've been to the GMC in Manchester twice :doh

Nigerians for example are closely associated with scams and forgeries

[Dedworth]

Doctor, 57, struck off for massaging patient's breasts with oil when she went to see him about a whiplash injury

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719902/Doctor-57-struck-massaging-patient-s-breasts-oil-went-whiplash-injury.html

[SimonH]

Hope he gets what he deserves when he's looking for the soap in the prison showers :omg:

[Dedworth]

Hope he gets what he deserves when he's looking for the soap in the prison showers :omg:

He was jailed in January so I guess unfortunately he's out now http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/10939420.Jail_for_doctor_who_touched_patient_s_breast_during_whiplash_examination/

[joebloggs]

A couple out of the many I've posted - why do you defend these rogues and not accept the fact that disproportionate number of those struck off are foreign :crazy:


tell me dedworth how YOU can tell whether they are foreign or British, I'd like to know how you can tell :wink:

[Dedworth]

tell me dedworth how YOU can tell whether they are foreign or British, I'd like to know how you can tell :wink:

The Sex Offender Ayyoub #51 "trained" at University of Punjab
Con Man Elhassan #45 "trained" at University of Khartoum
Convicted perverter of the course of justice Ogwueleka #40 "trained" at Abia State University

That's just the last 3.

The stats are in my favour so I won't bother researching anymore - I'll leave that up to you Joe, you never know you just might find the odd one to catch me out and I'll happily delete them from this thread. What do you think about that then ? :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

You've been caught out before, Dedworth

How can you tell they are not British? Just because they 'trained' in another country doesn't mean they were born there :doh

How many 'foreign' doctors go to British Meds Schools? Are they British ???

[Dedworth]

You've been caught out before, Dedworth

How can you tell they are not British? Just because they 'trained' in another country doesn't mean they were born there :doh

How many 'foreign' doctors go to British Meds Schools? Are they British???

Stop clutching at straws Joe - do British medical students train at non English speaking "Universities" in Karzi States ?

As I said, feel free to check my posts out and I'll delete any that don't meet my criteria on the thread

[joebloggs]

Stop clutching at straws Joe - do British medical students train at non English speaking "Universities" in karzi states ?

As I said, feel free to check my posts out and I'll delete any that don't meet my criteria on the thread

I think you would find many medical degree courses are taught in English :biggrin:

https://imed.faimer.org/details.asp?country=704&school=&currpage=1&cname=PAKISTAN&city=&region=AS&rname=Asia&mcode=704085&psize=100

Can you name some of those 'Karzi' States??

Your thread is 'Doctors in the dock', you've not posted about any British ones yet Dedworth. Having trouble finding any??

[Dedworth]

i think you would find many medical degree courses are taught in English:biggrin:

https://imed.faimer.org/details.asp?country=704&school=&currpage=1&cname=PAKISTAN&city=&region=AS&rname=Asia&mcode=704085&psize=100

can you name some of those 'karzi' states ??

your thread is 'doctors in the dock' you've not posted about any British ones yet dedworth, having trouble finding any ??

I'm not discussing this any further with you, at first I found your nit picking and hair splitting comical, now it is repetitive and tiresome.

I suggest you use your wifes access to BMA, GMC etc and research the names I've posted to see if any are British nationals and while you are at it post in chronological order from now on all struck off Doctors.

As I said to you in post # 11 "Save a bit of time in future though Joe I didn't intend this thread to be purely foreign or foreign trained Docs but to highlight the number of ne'er-do-wells employed in the NHS."

By the way #20 is Scottish

"Karzi states" is my definition of those fostering & harbouring extremists, terrorists, criminals & the like eg Pakistan, Sudan & Nigeria

[Doc Alan]

We need them because unfortunately as Doc Alan has explained this country is incapable of producing the number of Doctors we require.

The purpose of this thread is to highlight the fact that a disproportionate number of Doctors up before the Disciplinary Panel are foreign and many of them should never have been employed by the NHS in the first place

I actually explained that - as there are at least 10 applicants for every place at UK medical schools - this country MAY have the capacity to produce the number of doctors we require, but our graduates don't wish ( and can't be forced ) into essential but unpopular specialties in undesirable locations :doh.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing ! The Leeds graduate Dr Harold Shipman should never have been employed by the NHS in the first place :NoNo:. Unfortunately even he probably didn't know he would turn into the UK's worst serial killer. By the time his surviving patients, colleagues, and the GMC realised, he may well have killed well over 200 patients.


Shipman puts " doctors in the dock " into perspective. As I pointed out in another thread, some good did come out of the Shipman Enquiry. This included more accurate death certification; investigation of deaths by coroners ; regulation of controlled drugs in the community; reform of the GMC including non-medical membership ; and formation of a Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service - also with non-medical membership.


Well done to the MPTS for dealing with " rogue doctors " of whatever nationality :xxgrinning--00xx3: Vacancies DO arise on the MPTS both for doctors and " lay members ".


Of the 100 ( + ) recommendations in the Shipman Enquiry, revalidation ( appraisal ) to make sure doctors remain up to date and safe is CRUCIAL, in my opinion. Despite the most careful scrutiny of qualifications by the GMC and at a local level ( job interview ), mistakes may be made, and in any case doctors may fall ill or otherwise change subsequently.


Sadly I have to say NO system is foolproof in preventing another " Shipman ". But it's a good deal less likely now than previously.


As the only doctor regularly contributing to the Forum, I have to say my glass is half full, not half empty ( usually red wine :biggrin:). I prefer to see the POSITIVE aspects of our NHS, with steady improvements in diagnosis and treatment of so many diseases in my 35 years' working lifetime. There have always been many inspirational doctors and other healthcare workers, of many nationalities, to encourage me in my career :xxgrinning--00xx3:. But that's off-topic :smile:.

[Dedworth]

Thanks Doc ! As you say the system has improved but I feel there is still a way to go. I'm just off for some full glasses at the pub :Beer:

[joebloggs]

I'm not discussing this any further with you, at first I found your nit picking and hair splitting comical, now it is repetitive and tiresome.



A bit like your thread Dedworth, maybe you should rename it: 'Dedworth in the dock' :biggrin:

[Dedworth]

These are some we don't hear about - let off with a warning :-

UK’s worst doctors are named, shamed but let off: Just a slap on the wrist... for fatal mistakes and criminal behaviour

Doctors have missed cancer symptoms, botched operations and kerb crawled
Last year, 55 doctors were struck off – 1.6% of 3,348 investigated


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720973/UK-s-worst-doctors-named-shamed-let-Just-slap-wrist-fatal-mistakes-criminal-behaviour.html#ixzz3A1BatjGR

[joebloggs]

One Dedworth missed, I wonder why :Erm:


Doctor at Addenbrookes Hospital in Cambridge abused child cancer patients


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-29206727

[Dedworth]

Thanks Joe I tired of your Yah-Booing so I stopped contributing. Here's a recent one for you

Consultant neurosurgeon 'sexually assaulted 10 women patients by performing inappropriate examinations after undressing them himself'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2752322/Consultant-neurosurgeon-sexually-assaulted-10-women-patients-performing-inappropriate-examinations-undressing.html#ixzz3DQ81HEeg

To save you the trouble of looking him up... The court heard Hamid, of Moseley, Birmingham, trained in Pakistan and moved to Britain in 2000.