Previous refusals

[keithAngel]

Part of Philip's problem was his fiancee didn't mention him when she applied for a visit visa, but then when she applied for her fiancee visa they admitted that had known each other when she applied for a visit visa.

If your fiancee told the truth and gave all relevant information when she applied for the visit visa the fact that she was refused shouldn't cause you any problems.

That's true but the sponsor was her Aunt and whilst Philip and Frances had met on line and both thought it would be an excellent opportunity to meet in person the application was clearly to visit a relative .

I understand your concern Ady but I'm sure you have covered all the bases and will get the result you are looking for in the fullness of time.

It is a time you might choose to savour, anticipation of all the wonderful karaoke and dried fish for you and your neighbors still to come

[darren-b]

That's true but the sponsor was her Aunt and whilst Philip and Frances had met on line and both thought it would be an excellent opportunity to meet in person the application was clearly to visit a relative .

And that is witholding information. She should have mentioned when applying for a visit visa that she would be meeting someone she had met online. Especially as Philip admitted that they would have met when she applied for a fiancee visa "i did state in my supporting letter that when frances was denied her visit visa that i just had to go to the philippines to meet her"

[keithAngel]

An interesting point of view Darren but for my self reading the "family visit visa application " I see no such requirement it does ask if you will be visiting any other family members other than the sponsor but no where does it either ask if you will meet a UK national nor should it in my view.

In the case you mention neither had met and although it is true that the refusal catalyzed a reverse visit soon after , it could have as easily, have been the trigger to stop

If one were to go to visit ones Auntie and incidental take the opportunity to meet someone or ten people previously met on line there are many possible out comes including the realisation that this person was simply a figment of ones own projection ,a pleasant meal does not imply any contractual obligation, no face would be lost on either side

Quiet different to a Fiance visa for example which states an intention to marry although that may not be the outcome.

If such a requirement existed it would need to be unequivocally asked on the application and I having read it I don't see it

Honesty and transparency do not require an intrusive confessional mind set as privacy is a basic right of the individual in my view It is quite different from the applicant that intends to overstay and will lie about everything.

Its a dangerous slope to give credence to this idea IMHO as if a successful applicant for a family visa set out that they would be meeting a UK national and nothing came of that meeting they might have any further applications questioned along the lines of well the last one didn't work out etc

This is different to perhaps having already met someone developed a romantic connection and then attempting to manipulate the system by getting ones Aunt to sponsor whilst having only the intention to visit ones lover, not that I agree with that , but that within current rules would be grounds for refusal.

[joebloggs]

i have heard of other people being refused a visa becuase they failed to mention that they had a relationship with a brit, but didn't mention it on the visa app in additional info section, sure it may not ask you if you have a relationship with someone, but you have to admit it would be important for the embassy to know and the reasons why you failed to mention it..

eg someone applies for a VV, and goes back, then later applies for a fiancee visa, then mentions they had a 'oline relationship' for x years, and this relationship was not mention on the VV app, then they could say you obtained the VV dishoneslty by not mentioning the real reason you applied for the visa..


petty, i know but tell a lie, wave your visa goodbye ..

[keithAngel]

My view on that Joe is that I might chat to 20 people on line for 20 years but that if I have not met the person would not allow me to support say a fiance visa application and since having "met " the person is the test why would I wish to add a rule that doesn't exist We are not talking here about a Brit being the reason for the visit (as has been stated here many times there is a low success rate for this) but a family visit application

[darren-b]

My view on that Joe is that I might chat to 20 people on line for 20 years but that if I have met the person would not allow me to support say a fiance visa application and since having "met " the person is the test why would I wish to add a rule that doesn't exist We are not talking here about a Brit being the reason for the visit (as has been stated here many times there is a low success rate for this) but a family visit application

The problem is if there was a single Brit and it was more than a casual online relationship (shown by evidence sent to support a fiancee visa) prior to the family visit then the BIA will wonder about how truthful the application for the family visit was ie the real purpose, who paid for it, where you stayed, etc.

As a lot of the immigration process is based on the BIA believing that you are genuine you don't want them starting to wonder how genuine you are, as they can give you a hard time, or at worse refuse you.

In the case being mentioned here they actually state that the Brit visited the Philippines because the Filipina didn't get her family visit visa hence admitting that her application for the family visa was not totally genuine.

[keithAngel]

In the case being mentioned here they actually state that the Brit visited the Philippines because the Filipina didn't get her family visit visa hence admitting that her application for the family visa was not totally genuine.

Neither You ,I or the F.O. are in any position to judge the genuineness of the application in this case the key factor ,as I see it is that the refusal led to an earnest desire to meet quickly, then carried out but without any possible foreknowledge of the result but that does not indicate that the original application was not genuine , unless anyone would suggest that there is no Aunt to visit,.

The reason I am adamant on this point is simply that to support the subsequent refusal by The C.O. to a fiance visa is tantamount to agreeing to divination on their part, nobody lied or was even economical with the truth