He Is Dead

[Piamed]

all you mention and more i can do without religion, treat people how you would like to be treated, fair play and justice, compassion, common sense, equality .. etc.

I totally agree with that! I was merely attempting to highlight some of the fundamental heterogeneity existing between football and one's belief as cornerstones for the development of e.g. an individuals essential moral fabric, given the context of the prevailing discourse. For many their belief is a philosophy of life that governs their behaviour. It is totally normal for an individual to arrive at a similar set of guiding principles without a religion - absolutely.

[joebloggs]

I totally agree with that! I was merely attempting to highlight some of the fundamental heterogeneity existing between football and one's belief as cornerstones for the development of e.g. an individuals essential moral fabric, given the context of the prevailing discourse. For many their belief is a philosophy of life that governs their behaviour. It is totally normal for an individual to arrive at a similar set of guiding principles without a religion - absolutely.

so what's the difference then, you read the bible, pray and goto church and i don't , is that it

i respect your right to believe what you want, and do what you want as long as its legal and if not, as long as it's in your own home

[Piamed]

so what's the difference then, you read the bible, pray and goto church and i don't , is that it

Huh!!!!!!!!! Where did that come from amigo? I thought we were talking about football versus faith as a basis for moral code here!!!!

So, keep religion to yourselves and others like me will not have to take you to task.

Delusional and comic!!! I get it now!!!

[aposhark]

......Delusional and comic!!! I get it now!!!

"Eureka"......watch the soap on the floor though. Ha Ha, but at least I can keep to the bigger picture without getting a magnifying glass out

[Piamed]

"Eureka"......watch the soap on the floor though. Ha Ha, but at least I can keep to the bigger picture without getting a magnifying glass out

Funny guy! You are certainly not a man of the detail; I did notice that

Well, at least we have shown folk that we can both flourish within a love-hate relationship where you love me and ....

So, when will you and your better half be in the UK commencing your new life together? Let me tell you what you and so many others already know - It just keeps getting better and better! I took a picture earlier today, which is in my album, of my wife and baby asleep together. Oh my! Sniff, sniff!! I still have to pinch myself almost daily.

I'm still working on being a better person but am so fortunate compared to so many. All the best mate!

Btw, I enjoy sparring with you - even though you punch like a girl!

[aposhark]

Funny guy! You are certainly not a man of the detail; I did notice that

Funny guy! You are certainly not a man of proof, you only meander with irrelevant details.

Put your analytical brain to better use, and show us atheists some proof dear chap!

If you cannot, then you will not really succeed with your so called "Christanity".

People all over the world are turning away from Christianity, they see through the hogwash and remember the persecution and murders that the church caused.

[Piamed]

Piamed,
You can dress up whatever argument or point of view you have as a Christian.

I repeat, show me proof of a "God" and show me proof of a "Jesus".
Without proof, you have diddly-squat.

I will only engage in ideas that are as basic as this.

I am still waiting for your proof.

Where is it?

One of the things I tried to do is explore what proof is with you first as it apparent that your concept is proof is myopic compared to the rest of the worlds. The point being that if i show you proof you will only say its not prrof. Anyway, you did not want to understand what proof actually is beyond empirical data so I did not attempt to go into detail on proof. I don't want to keep going round and round with you not honestly conceding anything. I rather, tried to engage you on your level and ask you for proof that God and Jesus did not exist. Unsurprisingly, you have offered nothing.

But know this: most intellectual athiests who have examined the evidence now acknowledge that Jesus Christ existed. Arte you aware of this.

[QUOTE=aposhark;128616]Funny guy! You are certainly not a man of proof, you only meander with irrelevant details.

Put your analytical brain to better use, and show us atheists some proof dear chap!QUOTE]Of course you would describe any attempt to critically review you wildly inconsistent and unsubstantiated claims as meandering.

OK, any attempt to delve deeply into your statements is a waste of time so let's get down to basics. If there is one thing I would like you to take from this post of mine it's this:

Show me empirical evidence that neither God nor Jesus ever existed! if you cannot perhaps you'll have the grace to admit that you cannot even meet your own criteria for engagement.