British detained in the Philippines

[pennybarry]

POEA ACCREDITED AGENCIES are those who are RECRUITMENT or MANPOWER AGENCIES. These are agencies which are required by the law to accredit them with the poea as they facilitates EMPLOYMENT AND RECRUITMENT. A CONSULTANCY DOEST FACILITATE EMPLOYMENT AND WE ARE NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO GET POEA ACCREDITATION...IF WE DID ACCREDITED THAT WOULD ONLY PROVES WE ARE RECRUITING. WE DO NOT CHARGE PLACEMENTS...SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO SELL THEIR CARABAOS...A RECRUITMENT AGENCY IS FAR DIFFERENT FROM CONSULTANCY

Yes I know the difference between them. The only thing they do the same is when it comes to collecting money from applicants which I think is wrong and I'm not in favour of it. This is always the start of every trouble. If you accept the money, applicants will assume for the success of their applications.

If Recruitment agencies and Consultancy agencies will not collect money until they passed everything (exam,medical,etc.) then there will have no problem at all. Even processing fee, and other fees that you are willing to refund is not good enough for applicants.

Some agencies, in-order to stop their continued arrests by authorities, they just returned the money and some applicants are satisfied for that. But some applicants who sold properties and for some other reasons, they don't stop complaining until the office closed by the authorities.

[britishdetained]

Honestly that is a very good idea, however in reality we cannot do that as there are many things to consider in a business...over head expenses, taxes, etc. If you do not charge them as you accepted the service how those things will be possible? Same as you go to school...you cant study now and pay after you got your diploma...

[pennybarry]

Honestly that is a very good idea, however in reality we cannot do that as there are many things to consider in a business...over head expenses, taxes, etc. If you do not charge them as you accepted the service how those things will be possible? Same as you go to school...you cant study now and pay after you got your diploma...

Very true! That is the most hard part of business. I have friend who owned a travel agency and other one who owns Recruitment agency. I worked with them and to be honest, they have bonds when they established their business. They cannot establish it if they have no bonds and big capital. I am not sure if Consultancy agency needs to have bonds nor big capital to engage in that business. If you need to know more about recruitment and travel business, I can share you her email add. You can get much advises from them. Your business are similar in some areas.

[Arturo]

Honestly that is a very good idea, however in reality we cannot do that as there are many things to consider in a business...over head expenses, taxes, etc. If you do not charge them as you accepted the service how those things will be possible? Same as you go to school...you cant study now and pay after you got your diploma...

Actually, yes in some cases that is possible, but mostly its by deposit and pay as you go! I can confirm, having put my youngest through university and paid the course fee's and accomodation fee's periodiclly as required by her progression.

I dont know about PI, but in the UK and most other places, a business will need to have cash or credit with the banks. Its illegal to operate a business which is not solvent, ie enough cash, credit or reserves to over its overheads / creditors. The theory is you can stop the business anytime, pay everbody owed money and tak ewahts left after taxes.

There are business's which supply goods and or services and some take deposits. These are supposed to be kept separate from the funds used to keep the business running - to cover refunds or cancellations.

Its all about accountability.

[britishdetained]

Actually, yes in some cases that is possible, but mostly its by deposit and pay as you go! I can confirm, having put my youngest through university and paid the course fee's and accomodation fee's periodiclly as required by her progression.

I dont know about PI, but in the UK and most other places, a business will need to have cash or credit with the banks. Its illegal to operate a business which is not solvent, ie enough cash, credit or reserves to over its overheads / creditors. The theory is you can stop the business anytime, pay everbody owed money and tak ewahts left after taxes.

There are business's which supply goods and or services and some take deposits. These are supposed to be kept separate from the funds used to keep the business running - to cover refunds or cancellations.

Its all about accountability.

My business has its own account to which the police had withdrawn all the cash on it (which we included on our complaints). Since May we have used more than 800,000PH to support the case, pay the lawyers and even support the families of my employees. I understood what you meant about job scams however, my company isnt dealing with job placement. We are a consultancy...merely sorting VISA requirements and consultantion about attaining the right Visa but not employment. Most Filipinos are not aware that a consultancy and recruitment is far different. RECRUITMENT are for job placement, Consultancy are for VISA requirements. I hope you could visit our website so may understand what sort or things my company offers and what we CANT!

[britishdetained]

My business has its own account to which the police had withdrawn all the cash on it (which we included on our complaints). Since May we have used more than 800,000PH to support the case, pay the lawyers and even support the families of my employees. I understood what you meant about job scams however, my company isnt dealing with job placement. We are a consultancy...merely sorting VISA requirements and consultantion about attaining the right Visa but not employment. Most Filipinos are not aware that a consultancy and recruitment is far different. RECRUITMENT are for job placement, Consultancy are for VISA requirements. I hope you could visit our website so may understand what sort or things my company offers and what we CANT!

WE are only charging Processing fee to which all other standard legitimate consultancies are allowed to charge. (an Ph8,000 doesnt mean you can go abroad for work, that is for the processing, exam, review, and overhead expenses). We do not sort medical as that is the obligation of the client who intend to go abroad, we are not allowed to accept Medical fee, Visa fee and airfare).

[Arturo]

My business has its own account to which the police had withdrawn all the cash on it (which we included on our complaints). Since May we have used more than 800,000PH to support the case, pay the lawyers and even support the families of my employees. I understood what you meant about job scams however, my company isnt dealing with job placement. We are a consultancy...merely sorting VISA requirements and consultantion about attaining the right Visa but not employment. Most Filipinos are not aware that a consultancy and recruitment is far different. RECRUITMENT are for job placement, Consultancy are for VISA requirements. I hope you could visit our website so may understand what sort or things my company offers and what we CANT!

OK, fair comment, confused a little by different amounts of expences in other posts.

From what I can see here, - is you appear to have done everything possible and currently the UK Embassy, the BBC, newpapers in the UK and other countries are about to give publicity to the case.

If the PI is a signatory of the Human Rights convention, you could ask them to intervene on your behalf. there are groups who campaign against torture and beating while in police custody but I dont have any info to pass on.

Other than that, unfortunately, it looks like you have to sit and wait for the legal process to continue.

Hope it all works out.

[pennybarry]

that's why agencies should only charge when the applicants pass the test specially their medical. processing fee etc is payable as soon as they pass the test. they are allowed to charge equivalent to one months salary anything more than that is illegal. there are agencies that doesn't charge a single centavo, the cost(s) is billed to the employer but your qualification must be really good.

like what i said i only based my opinion from my previous experience. like what other members are saying 400 applicants accusing your firm is a lot to be honest. i'm sure the truth will come out and when it does i hope whoever is lying get what they deserve. why don't you also use the media? show the proofs etc i'm sure they will listen. remember the saying "innocent until proven guilty". i hope you get all the help you can get.

My nephew got work in Canada and he paid only his medical. Also my cousin who works in a hotel in Canada with no expenses paid except medical. One month salary is the legal for Recruitment agency charge. But some agencies ask for more and applicants pays more than that as long as it is genuine. In the recruitment agency I worked for, We are not allowed to receive/ask money from applicants. It is posted in every corner of our office. If someone accepts money, then the boss will file a case against us before the applicants file a case against the owner of the agency. All staffs is under the jurisdiction of management/owner. They are the ones who is liable for any damages if we commit something illegal when it comes to receiving money. Ony cashier has the right to accept it with official receipt.

While in Travel Agency, they are not allowed to recruit people. But some agencies do it as it's more easy money. They help applicants in providing some docs for tourist visa and they can fly to Italy,France whatever. But never the travel agency I worked with. We never do as if we caught, it is unbailable and big embarrassment to us.

Actually, yes in some cases that is possible, but mostly its by deposit and pay as you go! I can confirm, having put my youngest through university and paid the course fee's and accomodation fee's periodiclly as required by her progression.

I dont know about PI, but in the UK and most other places, a business will need to have cash or credit with the banks. Its illegal to operate a business which is not solvent, ie enough cash, credit or reserves to over its overheads / creditors. The theory is you can stop the business anytime, pay everbody owed money and tak ewahts left after taxes.

There are business's which supply goods and or services and some take deposits. These are supposed to be kept separate from the funds used to keep the business running - to cover refunds or cancellations.

Its all about accountability.

You're right, I searched about study now pay later in Scotland and there is.
We have also that in the Philippines in 1980's during the Marcos regime. I had classmates who were finished their course thru that scheme. We have also COCOFED scholars during that time. But never heard anymore about study now pay later these days.

We do have bonds/funds if we establish that kind of business. It helps their applicants to shoulder some expenses for applicant's applications etc. I'm not sure if POEA still holds the funds/bonds this time.

[Arturo]

[QUOTE
You're right, I searched about study now pay later in Scotland and there is.
We have also that in the Philippines in 1980's during the Marcos regime. [/QUOTE]

Hi, Just to clarify my post about school/education sfees.

My daughter was at the univercity for just over three years. The students fee's were paid only for the current semester (term) and not being required to pay the whole three years total fee's in one payment.
This is normal and the fee's are paid in advance of the semester. Like wise I paid 50% the rented house she shared with her friend. The accomodation was private and not part o fteh univercity syste,m or fees.

The point I was trying to clarify was that anybody paying an agent that cannot be settled in one transaction, will be expected to pay instalments, only for the work done.
I used a Immigration visa agent to sort out and submit my application to get into Austrlia. he chaged on the basis all goverment application fee's were paid into a trust account, from which he paid the Aussie immigration department. My visa prigressed in about 3 stages, each one requireming teh agent to ensure the submissions were correct and then forwarding by courier to teh various departmenst involved. At each stage a fee was required in advance.

All normal practice.

I would have thought that in principle...any organisation offering any service that involved progressive stages, would charge on the basis of work done, not work in progress.

[Tawi2]

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[britishdetained]

I just got an e-mail,Kevin is being held in San Mateo prison,its a small prison,four cells,three for males one for females,the cell Kevin is in normally holds 60-70 people,he does indeed pay a sum of money to the "Mayor" of the cell,for "Luxuries" Kevin has been tested as "TB Positive" My friend in camp crame didnt really tell me much as he hasnt had time to source any info,theres only 250 prisoners in San Mateo,he said it could have been a lot worse,Kevin could have went to Quezon city Jail with 3000 occupants Oh yeah,if your lucky you can chat to him or at least I was told I could by ringing manila 2971394 then speaking to the duty officer and saying I had permission from a certain someone
Charlene,he has 2 mestiso daughters and a son?You take them to visit him on weekends?

FYI... the fee which he has to pay is must as if you dont pay P1000 you will be robbed in the cell. Luxuries? Do you call it luxury if you pay for a use of toilet and take a bath? Isnt it a rights of a prisoner but at the city jail you must pay or you wont be able to take a bath, pooh or even pee. These issues were raised at the embassy already and to the CHR. You must have read it on my blogs anyway as all the details on his arrest, case and the life in prison are well detailed there. He even right some blogs and I scan it for people to know what is being jailed here in the Philippines.

Youre a good researcher TAWI2 hope you can share my blogs to other so they wll be carefull when they go here in the Philippines and same as to help me stop these abuses in prison.

Yes they visits Kevi every weekend, but the number that you gave is not correct. That number was from the PNP costodial. at the city jail there is no number to call. We need to send him food twice a day as you cant even imagine how the prison food looks like.
Thanks anyway.

[pennybarry]

I just got an e-mail,Kevin is being held in San Mateo prison,its a small prison,four cells,three for males one for females,the cell Kevin is in normally holds 60-70 people,he does indeed pay a sum of money to the "Mayor" of the cell,for "Luxuries" Kevin has been tested as "TB Positive" My friend in camp crame didnt really tell me much as he hasnt had time to source any info,theres only 250 prisoners in San Mateo,he said it could have been a lot worse,Kevin could have went to Quezon city Jail with 3000 occupants Oh yeah,if your lucky you can chat to him or at least I was told I could by ringing manila 2971394 then speaking to the duty officer and saying I had permission from a certain someone
Charlene,he has 2 mestiso daughters and a son?You take them to visit him on weekends?

you're such a good researcher really Tawi. I got 8 links now but never read about that issue

[aphrodite78]

If Recruitment agencies and Consultancy agencies will not collect money until they passed everything (exam,medical,etc.) then there will have no problem at all. Even processing fee, and other fees that you are willing to refund is not good enough for applicants.

that's why agencies should only charge when the applicants pass the test specially their medical. processing fee etc is payable as soon as they pass the test. they are allowed to charge equivalent to one months salary anything more than that is illegal. there are agencies that doesn't charge a single centavo, the cost(s) is billed to the employer but your qualification must be really good.

like what i said i only based my opinion from my previous experience. like what other members are saying 400 applicants accusing your firm is a lot to be honest. i'm sure the truth will come out and when it does i hope whoever is lying get what they deserve. why don't you also use the media? show the proofs etc i'm sure they will listen. remember the saying "innocent until proven guilty". i hope you get all the help you can get.