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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemallorca View Post
    Why ! what makes you say that !!!
    both are immigrant workers thats why

    why should workpermit holders be treated differently than hsmp.

    infact workpermit holders should have more rights to stay than hsmp, as they have had to stick in the same type of job for 5yrs unlike hsmp.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    both are immigrant workers thats why

    why should workpermit holders be treated differently than hsmp.

    infact workpermit holders should have more rights to stay than hsmp, as they have had to stick in the same type of job for 5yrs unlike hsmp.
    The difference is that the Uk wants to attract highly skilled people to the uk, where normal work permit holder don't need to be attracted as they want to come here for their own benefit. Aren't normal work permit holders losing their rights to permanent residency under the new rules?


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    Quote Originally Posted by darren-b View Post
    The difference is that the Uk wants to attract highly skilled people to the uk, where normal work permit holder don't need to be attracted as they want to come here for their own benefit. Aren't normal work permit holders losing their rights to permanent residency under the new rules?
    hsmp can apply for any job, taking highly skilled jobs away from brits, no control on what jobs they apply for, as the gov discovered when british medical students couldn't find work or training becuase of the numbers here on hsmp. so the gov try to make it more difficult for hsmp to apply for training posts.get taken to court and lose on any retro changes.

    why shouldn't someone who's given 5yrs of their life working here, with out any recourse to public funds not be entitled to stay here? europeans only have to work here a year to get them same benefits.

    yes i've seen somewhere that workpermit holders cannot get ilr/PR.


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    I'm on HSMP (well, Tier 1, same thing though) paying my NI and will be paying tax but with no recourse to public funds as well. I'm scared of getting sick as it would be very expensive for me. So, I'm in the same boat as the people with work permits. I'm just thinking it will be 8 years for me before I can have a British passport. 2 more visa extensions if I'm lucky to have them approved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wachovia View Post
    I'm on HSMP (well, Tier 1, same thing though) paying my NI and will be paying tax but with no recourse to public funds as well. I'm scared of getting sick as it would be very expensive for me. So, I'm in the same boat as the people with work permits. I'm just thinking it will be 8 years for me before I can have a British passport. 2 more visa extensions if I'm lucky to have them approved.
    major difference is you can go and apply for any job you want and you dont need to find a new job within 28 days if your made redundant/quit etc..

    it can only get more difficult for those wanting to come here on hsmp or workpermits, tier 1 you need a masters degree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    hsmp can apply for any job, taking highly skilled jobs away from brits, no control on what jobs they apply for, as the gov discovered when british medical students couldn't find work or training becuase of the numbers here on hsmp. so the gov try to make it more difficult for hsmp to apply for training posts.get taken to court and lose on any retro changes.

    why shouldn't someone who's given 5yrs of their life working here, with out any recourse to public funds not be entitled to stay here? europeans only have to work here a year to get them same benefits.

    yes i've seen somewhere that workpermit holders cannot get ilr/PR.
    If the HSMP/Tier 1 is attracting highly silled people we don't need then that is a failing of that particular system.

    The EU/benefits arguements are irrelevant. The joining of the EU removes some of our control, and someone who is here to work should be able to support themselves out of the money they earn.

    In my opinion Tier 2 visas ought to be used for the benefit of the country to fill jobs when required - basically offered if and when we need them for limited periods with no offer of permanent residency. At the end of if the immigrant worker doesn't like it they don't have to come here.


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