Lodgers, settlement visa and house

[lordna]

Hi,

Planning things to apply for settlement visa for my wife and her 4 year old.

I own my own house which has 4 bedrooms (or maybe 5 if you include a room i use as an office). At the moment itsoccupied by my Son (age 20) and his girlfriend in one room, my son of 14, a lodger and then myself. there is also a living room, dining room ,kitchen, bathroon/toilet and 2nd toilet.

My question is could this be considered as overcrowded for Visa purposes? I have a lodger to help boost my income (as its tax free up to £4250).

Do i have to give a plan of the house as the deeds wont show its size or current value as i extended it twice.

Thanks

[aromulus]

Hi,My question is could this be considered as overcrowded for Visa purposes? I have a lodger to help boost my income (as its tax free up to £4250).
Thanks

It may well be so.

[rainmaker]

Hi,

Planning things to apply for settlement visa for my wife and her 4 year old.

I own my own house which has 4 bedrooms (or maybe 5 if you include a room i use as an office). At the moment itsoccupied by my Son (age 20) and his girlfriend in one room, my son of 14, a lodger and then myself. there is also a living room, dining room ,kitchen, bathroon/toilet and 2nd toilet.

My question is could this be considered as overcrowded for Visa purposes? I have a lodger to help boost my income (as its tax free up to £4250).

Do i have to give a plan of the house as the deeds wont show its size or current value as i extended it twice.

Thanks

all you have to submit to the home office for settlement visa is the title of your property, saying you have a 4 bedroom house.you need not state that persons living in your house. you would be fine

[James Hubbard]

all you have to submit to the home office for settlement visa is the title of your property, saying you have a 4 bedroom house.you need not state that persons living in your house. you would be fine

I guess he's just gotta ask himself if there's any way the ECO would find out about his true situation? Like the money going into his account from his lodger etc . . . if there's some way that it's not obvious that extra money's going into the account, then I think what rainmaker suggested should be OK. (in my non-legally trained opinion)

[rusty]

all you have to submit to the home office for settlement visa is the title of your property, saying you have a 4 bedroom house.you need not state that persons living in your house. you would be fine

Are you saying hs should lie on his application form?

Section 5.11 Do you receive income from other sources?

Section 8.6.6 Does anyone, other than your sponsor, live in the property?

If they find out, your application will be refused and you will be banned from going to the UK for 10 years.

[IainBusby]

you need not state that persons living in your house. you would be fine

Are you saying hs should lie on his application form?

Section 5.11 Do you receive income from other sources?

Section 8.6.6 Does anyone, other than your sponsor, live in the property?

If they find out, your application will be refused and you will be banned from going to the UK for 10 years.

Very true, I'd say it's not worth the risk.

[bornatbirth]

Are you saying hs should lie on his application form?

is anyone saying that?

what anyone puts on the application,is upto them

you have a full house there,are the kids paying any rent,does the lodger pay cash and is traceable?

i guess you could get the lodger back after you get the visa

but i would wait for some better advice because we could advise have you doing something silly!

what are the chances of onyone really checking?

[vbkelly]

Hi,

Planning things to apply for settlement visa for my wife and her 4 year old.

I own my own house which has 4 bedrooms (or maybe 5 if you include a room i use as an office). At the moment itsoccupied by my Son (age 20) and his girlfriend in one room, my son of 14, a lodger and then myself. there is also a living room, dining room ,kitchen, bathroon/toilet and 2nd toilet.

My question is could this be considered as overcrowded for Visa purposes? I have a lodger to help boost my income (as its tax free up to £4250).

Do i have to give a plan of the house as the deeds wont show its size or current value as i extended it twice.

Thanks

don't say anything about your lodger just say that your son still stay with you. i think the eco will be consider that.

[rusty]

is anyone saying that?

what anyone puts on the application,is upto them

you have a full house there,are the kids paying any rent,does the lodger pay cash and is traceable?

i guess you could get the lodger back after you get the visa

but i would wait for some better advice because we could advise have you doing something silly!

what are the chances of onyone really checking?

I was just stating that there are questions on the application relating to the subjects he has raised and there are consequences if anyone is to check.

How do you know what they do or dont check?

Is it worth the risk?

[marlyn&kenny]

is anyone saying that?

what anyone puts on the application,is upto them

you have a full house there,are the kids paying any rent,does the lodger pay cash and is traceable?

i guess you could get the lodger back after you get the visa

but i would wait for some better advice because we could advise have you doing something silly!

what are the chances of onyone really checking?

Very true, I'd say it's not worth the risk.

I agree with IainBusby, its better say the truth and explain why like ths and that... Good luck on your application..
regards,

[Ji&Ma]

Hi Lord, I've posted following link somewhere in here before -
it might be worth to try to check following pages, it is UKBA Entry Clearance Guidance issued to their officers to help them to assess the applications. One of the parts contains guidance how to assess the accommodation issues.
Please see this:

UKBA Entry CLearance Guidance - Accommodation

Especially pay attention to the paragraphs MAA11 to MAA14 - according to this guidance you should be OK as your house is apparently 5 bedroom house so it is allowed to house 10 people (that one of your bedrooms is basically your office is none of their concern ) and as I've counted there will be 7 people living in there including your wife and kid (and your kid counts only as a HALF person!)
Good luck

[darren-b]

Hi Lord, I've posted following link somewhere in here before -
it might be worth to try to check following pages, it is UKBA Entry Clearance Guidance issued to their officers to help them to assess the applications. One of the parts contains guidance how to assess the accommodation issues.
Please see this:

UKBA Entry CLearance Guidance - Accommodation

Especially pay attention to the paragraphs MAA11 to MAA14 - according to this guidance you should be OK as your house is apparently 5 bedroom house so it is allowed to house 10 people (that one of your bedrooms is basically your office is none of their concern ) and as I've counted there will be 7 people living in there including your wife and kid (and your kid counts only as a HALF person!)
Good luck

You actually include "rooms of a type used either as a living room or bedroom", so that means 7 rooms (if the dining room is counted as a living room) which makes up to 14 people in total.

[Ji&Ma]

You actually include "rooms of a type used either as a living room or bedroom", so that means 7 rooms (if the dining room is counted as a living room) which makes up to 14 people in total.

Thanks Darren - that somehow didn't popped-up to my mind - obviously it is 7 rooms in total

[rainmaker]

Are you saying hs should lie on his application form?

Section 5.11 Do you receive income from other sources?

Section 8.6.6 Does anyone, other than your sponsor, live in the property?

If they find out, your application will be refused and you will be banned from going to the UK for 10 years.

Mea culpa Mea culpa.... I thought disclosure that you own a property is sufficient. Therefore anyone living in the property of the sponsor is not required in the application... I have no intention to advice anyone to commit fraud... Mea culpa

[bornatbirth]

I was just stating that there are questions on the application relating to the subjects he has raised and there are consequences if anyone is to check.

How do you know what they do or dont check?

Is it worth the risk?

you are quite right,that its a risk to give false information!

personally,i would get the sons gf and lodger to move out and get the visa and let them move back