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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawi2 View Post
    Biggest killer of fox in this country are vehicles

    OK guys who will support the London march on 1st April to ban vehicles from, all UK roads ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by johncar54 View Post
    OK guys who will support the London march on 1st April to ban vehicles from, all UK roads ?
    John ... I might! ... if the Government of the Day were to re-open old railway lines serving remote parts of the country, create new [RAIL] networks ... and substitute the present 'Bus Pass' for free rail travel throughout the UK for diabled people, pensioners, and other retired folk like you and I. Who knows? this might even have the knock-on effect of enticing ex-pats (like yourself) to return to their homeland ... for the summer months, at least!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    if the Government of the Day were to re-open old railway lines serving remote parts of the country, create new [RAIL] networks ...
    So how do propose this is all paid for? As an example, the old Aberystwyth to Carmarthen rail line is 60% built on. They will need a heck of a lot of money to get it back working - compulsory purchase orders could cost many ££££s and take many many years to sort out, and in this economic climate, its simply not justified.


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    Quote Originally Posted by walesrob View Post
    So how do propose this is all paid for? As an example, the old Aberystwyth to Carmarthen rail line is 60% built on. They will need a heck of a lot of money to get it back working - compulsory purchase orders could cost many ££££s and take many many years to sort out, and in this economic climate, its simply not justified.
    well what happened to the billions thatcher got when she raped the country and sold off anything British and from the sale of millions of council houses, where did that money go ???


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    well what happened to the billions thatcher got
    Someone told me she gave it to a certain Ferdinand Marcos for safe keeping....


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    Quote Originally Posted by walesrob View Post
    Someone told me she gave it to a certain Ferdinand Marcos for safe keeping....
    So the Chinese shoe companies have it then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by walesrob View Post
    *So how do propose this is all paid for? As an example, the old Aberystwyth to Carmarthen rail line is 60% built on. They will need a heck of a lot of money to get it back working - compulsory purchase orders could cost many ££££s and take many many years to sort out, and in this economic climate, its simply not justified.
    Unsurprisingly, I should've at least [half] expected] a reply along those *lines (if you'll excuse the *pun). And, to be honest, it WOULD be difficult to justify the expense involved ... not only in Wales and Scotland, but nationwide.

    Frankly, there's NO easy way to curb the amount of traffic on British roads. But I do believe that if more bulk freight were transported by rail - as it used to be before Beeching's short-sighted (as it turned out) cuts *in 1963 - then the density of massive haulage vehicles using our motorways would be a lot less, for a start. Hopefully, this in itself, would ultimately lead to fewer accidents involving heavy lorries and trucks ... and limit the damage to the environment caused by burnt fuel pollution from exhaust pipes.

    There again, in fairness to the *THEN Minister of Transport, he could hardly have been expected to've been able to foresee the vast increase in the volume of traffic over the ensuing 4/5 decades. I therefore rest my case (which had originally been raised partly in jest! ).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post

    There again, in fairness to the *THEN Minister of Transport, he could hardly have been expected to've been able to foresee the vast increase in the volume of traffic over the ensuing 4/5 decades. I therefore rest my case (which had originally been raised partly in jest! ).
    .....and as a thank you to Mr Beeching closing down the Aber - Carmarthen line, they named a pub after him in Aberystwyth - the Lord Beechings in Alexandra Road.

    As for the sheer volume of traffic, I agree, its needs sorting out, I would also be in favour of more public transport, but the will is not there, nor is the money for that matter. So the problem will get worse, governments will tax more and eventually, it will get to breaking point. We are not alone, the rest of the world has the same problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by walesrob View Post
    As for the sheer volume of traffic, I agree, its needs sorting out, I would also be in favour of more public transport, but the will is not there, nor is the money for that matter. So the problem will get worse, governments will tax more and eventually, it will get to breaking point. We are not alone, the rest of the world has the same problem.
    Yeah, I guess SO ... more's the pity!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    Unsurprisingly, I should've at least [half] expected] a reply along those *lines (if you'll excuse the *pun). And, to be honest, it WOULD be difficult to justify the expense involved ... not only in Wales and Scotland, but nationwide.

    Frankly, there's NO easy way to curb the amount of traffic on British roads. But I do believe that if more bulk freight were transported by rail - as it used to be before Beeching's short-sighted (as it turned out) cuts *in 1963 - then the density of massive haulage vehicles using our motorways would be a lot less, for a start. Hopefully, this in itself, would ultimately lead to fewer accidents involving heavy lorries and trucks ... and limit the damage to the environment caused by burnt fuel pollution from exhaust pipes.

    There again, in fairness to the *THEN Minister of Transport, he could hardly have been expected to've been able to foresee the vast increase in the volume of traffic over the ensuing 4/5 decades. I therefore rest my case (which had originally been raised partly in jest! ).
    I don't know how it could be achieved and especially in todays economic climate, but I think Arthur is thinking along the right lines because we can't continue to build even more motorways and widen existing motorways. What is needed is a new national rail frieght company with a network of major rail frieght terminals throughout the the country.

    I firmly believe that the present motorway mayhem could actually help to make this a very attractive alternative and therefore a very successful venture financially. If enough money was invested in it to make it a faster and cheaper way to transport goods then perhaps we could get back to the way things used to be be when most of the long haul frieght was transported by rail and only saw the back of a lorry for the final (local) part of the journey.

    I realise that it would take a very brave government to embark on such a venture even if times were better, but looking at the present mess, I don't think there is another real, long term solution that doesn't involve rail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by johncar54 View Post
    OK guys who will support the London march on 1st April to ban vehicles from, all UK roads ?
    Arthur. Sorry, I thought "1st April" was a big enough clue !!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by johncar54 View Post
    OK guys who will support the London march on 1st April to ban vehicles from, all UK roads ?
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    John ... *I might! ...
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    Arthur. Sorry, I thought "1st April" was a big enough clue !!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    Unsurprisingly, I should've at least [half] expected] a reply along those *lines ...

    ... I therefore rest my case (which had originally been raised partly in jest! ).
    ... 'April [or All] Fools' Day? ... it HADN'T escaped my notice, John ... ! Actually, this particular date happens to be the birthday of the sole remaining member of the immediate previous generation of my family ... my 91-year-old aunt ... so, in such circumstances, it would be difficult for me to forget.

    Hence my in response to your post about support for the London March ... in terms of "banning vehicles from all UK roads".

    Yet, many's the TRUE word said in jest! In more than forty years of living at the same address ... in close proximity to the A85 [and what was *THEN a fairly minor "secondary" thoroughfare *in 1968] ... I've witnessed a tremendous upsurge in the volume of traffic. And, now that I'm no longer as young, lithe nor fleet of foot as I once was, I find it can take anything up to a full five minutes to even attempt to reach the other side of the road ... in the absence of any pedestrian crossing.

    Just wanted to clarify my point ... interspersed with a wee bit of humour!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post

    Just wanted to clarify my point ... interspersed with a wee bit of humour!




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