I can understand 100% , my kids are 23 (a girl, with a degree, working in Switzerland) and 20 (a boy, having a second "gap year" as a chef in a ski resort in Austria). I've always told them to work hard. I've told people on the forum not to smoke. But I'm realistic and philosophical, I can't make people (offspring or friends) do what I "know" is best for them, especially as I'm not perfect ! Guidance, persuasion and support is important, I believe, and I hope they (kids , and friends here on the forum) will be happy and have good health!