Isn't It Stange ... But True?

[aposhark]

you may dictate what is discussed and what is not discussed in your household. This forum is not your household.

You claim you have travelled the world and seen first hand what religion brings.
I wonder what circus you where in?
because with all the bullcrap and wind ups coming from your posts it couldn't be anything to do with intellect

What you must remember, when you did your Marco Polo routine you already had an agenda fixed in your mind, set from the early years of your childhood.

You did not leave with an open mind, it was already clouded.

I think of those people in Baclaran chuch, the church loaded all day, these people have nothing else, no money as there God, they have only there faith.
You on the otherhand have, I dare say you have no idea what adversity is, when you have nothing but hope and prayer.
How dare you mock those God fearing people, the salt of the earth.

I was humbled into tears on my first visit there with my wife, and you mock!
Lets see what happens when your suffering wife get her permanant UK status.
5 years is a small price to pay.

You have consistently missed the point of my posts and I am still waiting for any proof of a "god" or a "jesus"
I am still waiting for any proof whilst you desend into frustrating gibberish
You can shut me up for good by offering any proof that the bible is nothing more than fairy tales.
Now, on the subject of intellect, isn't it intelligent to want proof of something before you fall hook, line and sinker for a set of beliefs that has been the reason for so many wars and so many deaths.
Delusion is what you are living with

Your delusion even stretches so far to think that anyone could possibly dictate what free and democratic forums can include.
You are now doing what the church has tried to do for eons - to silence any free thinking.
You will fail as the church has done, only one of the reasons why Christianity is in decline.

[gWaPito]

You have consistently missed the point of my posts and I am still waiting for any proof of a "god" or a "jesus"
I am still waiting for any proof whilst you desend into frustrating gibberish
You can shut me up for good by offering any proof that the bible is nothing more than fairy tales.
Now, on the subject of intellect, isn't it intelligent to want proof of something before you fall hook, line and sinker for a set of beliefs that has been the reason for so many wars and so many deaths.
Delusion is what you are living with

Your delusion even stretches so far to think that anyone could possibly dictate what free and democratic forums can include.
You are now doing what the church has tried to do for eons - to silence any free thinking.
You will fail as the church has done, only one of the reasons why Christianity is in decline.

It is you that is attacking, not me.
It is you that has a problem with 'free thinking'

I don't have a problem with what you think, it is you that has the problem what I think.
I don't have to prove anything to you.
What I don't like and the thousands of others reading your stuff is your mocking.
It is not called for.
I would like to add the you sir are not representative on the thinking of the average male in the UK.
I hope this removes any worries from filipinas reading 'Aposharks' posts and threads.

[aposhark]

It is you that is attacking, not me.
It is you that has a problem with 'free thinking'

I don't have a problem with what you think, it is you that has the problem what I think.
I don't have to prove anything to you.
What I don't like and the thousands of others reading your stuff is your mocking.
It is not called for.
I would like to add the you sir are not representative on the thinking of the average male in the UK.
I hope this removes any worries from filipinas reading 'Aposharks' posts and threads.

I am not mocking you, this is a perception you have because of fear of the truth.
If anyone googles "UK Christianity Decline" they will find almost 1 million hits.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...R2GGLL_enGB372
just gave me "About 972,000 results (0.27 seconds)"

You are trying to hide the truth from Filipinas who will only find this truth if and when they come to live here.
It is not me that has caused this decline, it is the vast numbers of people who have made this choice by themselves.

It is not a good idea to get yourself bent out of shape because of the truth, as the truth will be easy for anyone to find out anyway.
You should be calm about the truth because not accepting the truth will only drive you over the edge.

History has shown that killing, torturing and using religious beliefs as reasons for war will eventually be seen by sane people for what it is.
So, continue to go to church and believe your ideology without proof; if that floats your boat then enjoy the sail as this is the present speed of Christianity.

You cannot stop free thinking of the masses who have refused en-masse to put bums on seats and believe men who have little credibility in the modern age - now.

You also cannot paste over the anti-moralistic cracks in Catholic churches for example that is constantly fighting scandal from within.
So when many have said "yes my son" and mean something so totally opposite and sinister, ask yourself why it has been so easy to lose thier sheep.

Any form of proof from you would help your case immeasurably, until then keep dreaming on about the afterlife

[gWaPito]

Apo, I really do hope and pray the birth of your child goes well and that he/she leads a contentful life.

I do wonder what life your child will have?
No doubt he/she will be loved by you both.
How about the tooth fairy?
How about Easter and Christmas times? I went to a primary school that celabrated these events.
I remember Christmas times at school, the plays that were performed, I remember over the years playing a star, a sheperd, the rear end of a Donkey and lastly Joseph.
They were such special times for a child just starting out in life.
I doubt you had that, as a child. I wonder if you will allow your wife and child the joy of the experince?
I wonder if you will be one of the proud fathers watching your Son/Daughter act for the first time play may be either Joseph or Mary?

[aposhark]

Apo, I really do hope and pray the birth of your child goes well and that he/she leads a contentful life.

I do wonder what life your child will have?
No doubt he/she will be loved by you both.
How about the tooth fairy?
How about Easter and Christmas times? I went to a primary school that celabrated these events.
I remember Christmas times at school, the plays that were performed, I remember over the years playing a star, a sheperd, the rear end of a Donkey and lastly Joseph.
They were such special times for a child just starting out in life.
I doubt you had that, as a child. I wonder if you will allow your wife and child the joy of the experince?
I wonder if you will be one of the proud fathers watching your Son/Daughter act for the first time play may be either Joseph or Mary?

You really are quite entertaining in your lack of perception, symptomatic of the old fashioned ideology(ies) you follow..
Christian religious education in UK schools in 2010 is an option.
As part of a multi-cultural society, do you really think Muslim children for example would have to dress up as Joseph or Mary?
You are sadly stuck in the past, just like the church.

If you really were forward thinking, you would help your cause by "getting with it" fellow forumer.

You mentioned my childhood.
Since you are so interested, my mother told her children that we should make up our own minds what we wanted to do.

We obviously respected her for this and made our own way, as most people in the UK now fortunately do.
My children will have the same upbringing as me, they will be able to be free thinkers without meddlers trying to tell them that they are full of guilt

[Arthur Little]

I'M already sixty-five years old. And the older I get ... the more conscious I become of my OWN mortality. When I was growing-up, there were many folk I knew, who were dead before they'd the chance of reaching the age I am now. Being an obviously well-read and intelligent man, Mike ... you're very likely aware that at the time the State Pension was first introduced in 1908, the Liberal Government of the day - under Prime Minister Henry Herbert Asquith - set the retiral age for men at 65, knowing full-well that very few would still be alive to CLAIM their pension. Bear in mind, that was just over 100 years ago!

You're not so terribly far behind ME age-wise; also, you know as well as I do that the older one becomes - the quicker time [seems] to pass. Aren't YOU afraid of what lies ahead for the human soul after a person dies? (apart from the funeral, obviously!) I certainly AM; I'd hate to think it was NOTHING ... for the rest of eternity!

[aposhark]

I'M already sixty-five years old. And the older I get ... the more conscious I become of my OWN mortality. When I was growing-up, there were many folk I knew, who were dead before they'd the chance of reaching the age I am now. Being an obviously well-read and intelligent man, Mike ... you're very likely aware that at the time the State Pension was first introduced in 1908, the Liberal Government of the day - under Prime Minister Henry Herbert Asquith - set the retiral age for men at 65, knowing full-well that very few would still be alive to CLAIM their pension. Bear in mind, that was just over 100 years ago!

You're not so terribly far behind ME age-wise; also, you know as well as I do that the older one becomes - the quicker time [seems] to pass. Aren't YOU afraid of what lies ahead for the human soul after a person dies? (apart from the funeral, obviously!) I certainly AM; I'd hate to think it was NOTHING ... for the rest of eternity!

Hi Arthur,

I am not really sure what retirement has got to do with the issue at hand, so I will move onto your second paragraph.

IMO mortality is not worth worrying about, we are all born and we all die, no-one gets to understand anything different as no-one has come back from the dead with conclusive details.
It's what we do during the journey in life that matters.
I believe that this life is what we should concentrate on, because there is nothing later.
I never worry about what happens when we die, because we should always do our best in the time we have.
If we feel we have done all we can in this life, faults and all, why worry about anything else.

So, I am personally not afraid of anything that lies ahead because everything lies here and now and for me, there is nothing ahead.
This life is "your heaven or your hell" not promises by people through time without any proof that "heaven" or "hell" is what we are to expect or even aspire to.
We should not expect everything as there is nothing when we die from my atheist understanding.

Religion bothers me greatly because of the lies and the control that has always tried to be exerted over people.
I could go on, but I feel that I have made my point and it is one that you will probably not accept from your religious standpoint.

[mickcant]

I'M already sixty-five years old. And the older I get ... the more conscious I become of my OWN mortality. When I was growing-up, there were many folk I knew, who were dead before they'd the chance of reaching the age I am now. Being an obviously well-read and intelligent man, Mike ... you're very likely aware that at the time the State Pension was first introduced in 1908, the Liberal Government of the day - under Prime Minister Henry Herbert Asquith - set the retiral age for men at 65, knowing full-well that very few would still be alive to CLAIM their pension. Bear in mind, that was just over 100 years ago!

Hello Arthur,
As I am near to being 66 I can understand what you are saying about our mortality, I also cannot understand how quick the time goes since I retired, yet everyone seems to think I need more things to do to occupy myself!

Perhaps advancing age is what is making me even more intrested in doing more on my family tree/

Perhaps it is as well we do not know what is coming in our lives,but I would still like to think I could yet be happy with a partner insted of being on my own!
Mick.