Do you believe in Aliens/UFOs?

[gecko_pikachu]

There is life out there. And that life co exist here alongside humans.

Human eyesight only sees 2% of the light spectrum, the other 98% anything could exists in that light spectrum. Humans live in a world where they think that everything they touch, smell, taste and total human experience and interaction is made up of atomic structure (ie, solid matter). When atom and atomic structure are not a solid substance, it is only human perception in their limited belief system that is downloaded into them from life experience that makes human activity limited and bound to this prison planet.

As we are to look for life out there in the vastness of space, we must accept life will not only look like us. Most of it will be beyond all comprehension (ie. no need for space craft or any type of technology to go from A to B). You must remember that you yourselves are not defined by your physical presence only the life force that remains within until it is released back to the source.

[JimOttley]

There is life out there. And that life co exist here alongside humans.

Human eyesight only sees 2% of the light spectrum, the other 98% anything could exists in that light spectrum. Humans live in a world where they think that everything they touch, smell, taste and total human experience and interaction is made up of atomic structure (ie, solid matter). When atom and atomic structure are not a solid substance, it is only human perception in their limited belief system that is downloaded into them from life experience that makes human activity limited and bound to this prison planet.

As we are to look for life out there in the vastness of space, we must accept life will not only look like us. Most of it will be beyond all comprehension (ie. no need for space craft or any type of technology to go from A to B). You must remember that you yourselves are not defined by your physical presence only the life force that remains within until it is released back to the source.

Hi Gecko, I don't need to see, with my own eyes, the other 98% of the electromagnetic spectrum, I have technology for that and that technology is pretty good at seeing that other 98%, there's no evidence of any other life in that other 98% !

What I mean is the electromagnetic spectrum is simply ALL forms of light, it's all the same stuff namely Photons. We see because Photons are absorbed and re-emitted by matter under the second law of thermodynamics.

All of our meaningful experience of the world is communicated to us via two forces, Gravity and Electromagnetism, almost all of our technology is based on the Electromagnetic force, the only exception is nuclear technology which is based on the Weak and to some extent the Strong force, everything else, all of Chemistry and day to day mechanics, is Quantum Electrodynamics and Gravity.

Chemistry and "Life" by direct descent are emergent properties of the four fundamental forces. The matter, "stuff", we are made of is governed by all four forces and the Strong force which governs the internal properties of atoms is indirectly responsible for the existence of atoms in the first place, you need the charge on the protons in the nucleus to balance the charge on the electrons so the nucleus and the strong force make possible the electronic (arrangement of electrons) around atoms in the first place.

So the Strong force arranges the nucleus while the electromagnetic force is expressed in it's carrier particle the Photon, and Gravity affects everything in ways we cannot fully explain but for which we have extraordinarily accurate equations (Einstein's General theory of Relativity).

The reason that complex life forms like us can arise in the first place is that the four forces together allow for complex arrangements of electrons surrounding the nuclei of atoms, it is the complexity of electron configuration that allows for the interaction of one chemical element with another, it's called Chemistry.

We know of nothing else in the realm of the four forces that is sufficiently complex to support the amount of information present in living organisms. Any self replicating system is going to be complex, a self aware self replicating system is going to be extremely complex and is going to need an environment that is capable of supporting that complexity.

The Sci-Fi idea's of energy beings that exist in some kind of ghostly version of space and time are nonsense, energy in that sense is electromagnetic radiation and it all travels at the same speed 300,000 kilometres per second, not much chance for something made of that kind of stuff to hang around anywhere for any length of time?

Other types of Ghostly matter? Ok Neutrinos, these are perfect candiates for Ghosts they are the single most abundent particle in the Universe and they interact with almost nothing, the Sun, our local star, spews out trillions of billions of trillions of them every second and they pass right through the earth without touching anything as if we were not there, but these things are fundamental particles they have no chemistry they do some very basic things and it is extremely hard to see how they could carry enough information to support a life form.

This is a long post already, probably too long, so I will draw it to a close. What I am trying to say is there is no game in town except matter, "stuff", like everything you see around you every day, yes there are other ghostly things that science knows about but all of it is too simplistic to support the level of complexity of things that we call life.

For life you need matter and you probably need Carbon based life sa it is the only element that seems to support the required complexity. Silicon life? Why did it not happen here, we have lot of Silicon, lots more silicon than Carbon. Probably didn't happen because, you guessed it, it can't support the complexity required for life.

There are lots of things that we as a species do not know, much that we are ignorant of and by god we have a huge amount to learn however we already know an awful lot and that knowledge is NOT going to turn out to be totally wrong tomorrow morning, it might get added to be modified and enhanced but anything new still has to explain the same observations that we have already made!

It's evolution NOT revolution, Science does not get wiped away and completly replaced when new ideas are explored or new insights gained, new theories have to explain old results from older theories. Einstein's 1905 theory of Special Relativity explained the whole of Newtonian mechanics but Newtonian mechanics did not explain what happened when you were travelling close to the speed of light, Special Relativty did explain that and with unparralled accuracy that has only ever been more accuratly confirmed by any experiments conducted.

Likewise Quantum Electrodynamics has been the most successful theory in history (almost all of our modern technology relies on it one way or another) but it has nothing in it to explain the results of Special and General Relativity hence the desire to find a Quantum theory of Gravity.

Aliens are going to get the same results as us in their experiments, if they don't then all of Science is nonsense and we live in a world of magic in which case you are welcome to believe in Aliens and Fairy's, Leprechaun's and the Loch Ness monster.

Personally I feel as the great Carl Sagan did, if we are alone in the sheer enormity of the Universe, then it is an awful waste of space.

I cannot believe that we are the only sentient life form in the entire
Universe but I don't think sentient life is very common either and I certainly don't think Aliens have visited this planet recently.


Jim

P.S. that Sagan quote, I would advise anyone to read Sagan in particular "Contact" where that quote comes from. Biggest most mind blowing idea I ever heard was his idea in the book (only fiction) that the Aliens had discovered what they thought was a message in the number pi. Pi is a trancendental number this means that it doesn't repeat it has no patterns in the sequence of its decimal digits. He suggested that the creator of our Universe had left an imprint in the structure of the mathematical logic in our Universe, a binary message hidden in the number string of Pi's digits 10 to the power 20 decimal places into the string! Awsome idea

They left that out of the movie sadly but if they had included it there would have been even more very very confused people walking out the cinema

[fred]

Anyone remember the...
the UFO Disclosure Project?