Ukip to merge with the Conservatives

[bigmarco]

Good post (reputation sent) Marco...I agree, the goverment are picking on the easy targets much like speed camaras...the easy route as always....I also agree that most British would not make putting the boot into spouses of British citizens ideal way of lowering immigration figures.

The rest of your post...we will have to agree to disagree

You said you didn't go into your relationship thinking whether you could afford it or not.

..I find that hard to believe...its like saying most folks thinking about having babies dont think about the financial side....we all gotta a right to have babies just has we all have a right to marry whom we chose without financial thought?.



....I dont think so...we all have a responsibility for our actions...morally at least.

I'll agree with you about Babies my friend. You're bound to look at the financial side particularly in determining how many you're going to have. It's the right thing to do.
What your forgetting is that a lot of us here have been married before. I'm sure most if not all of us never had to put up with this much Government interference in our first marriage so never anticipated or thought about it this time around. I was already married when I joined this forum and it was only then I became aware of what people were going through to bring their wives here.
You also talk about moral obligations. Well I think this government has a moral obligation to treat it's own citizens exactly the same if not better than people from the EU. Surely you'll agree that it can never be right that if you had a Polish neighbour in exactly the same situation as you he would be treated better than you in our country.

[lastlid]

What your forgetting is that alot of us here have been married before. I'm sure most if not all of us never had to put up with this much Government interference in our first marriage so never anticipated or thought about it this time around. I was already married when I joined this forum and it was only then I became aware of what people were going through to bring their wives here.

Yes. There are many that have been caught out by this, in my opinion. It isn't long ago that the doors were wide open. I count myself very lucky that I managed to marry my wife at the "right time", if you see what I mean and was able to satisfy the ever tightening requirements of the incoming Conservative party. Just luck on my part. So I don't begrudge others succeeding either.

[gWaPito]

Yes. There are many that have been caught out by this, in my opinion. It isn't long ago that the doors were wide open. I count myself very lucky that I managed to marry my wife at the "right time", if you see what I mean and was able to satisfy the ever tightening requirements of the incoming Conservative party. Just luck on my part. So I don't begrudge others succeeding either.

You wanna make your mind up lastlid...wasn't long ago you were implying that you moved to the Isle Of Man to avoid our high tax...you did indeed say you were a 40% taxpayer.

You need a good memory if ya gonna lie Lastlid.

[lastlid]

You wanna make your mind up lastlid...wasn't long ago you were implying that you moved to the Isle Of Man to avoid our high tax...you did indeed say you were a 40% taxpayer.

You need a good memory if ya gonna lie Lastlid.

And.....

I can still be a higher rate tax payer and think myself lucky and not begrudge others the same freedom to bring their wives here that I have had.

(However I am not in the 40% bracket as we don't have such a bracket here - maximum of 20%).

And who knows, if people like you vote UKIP in then I would be even luckier as it looks like UKIP will stop all settlement visas.


I didn't move to the Isle of Man to avoid tax. Look up the definition of tax avoidance and tax evasion first. Then realise that anyone living in the Isle of Man pays tax at a different rate to those in the UK. Neither avoidance or evasion.

Are you a brick short of a full load?

Basically I don't think it is fair that others on lower incomes can't bring their spouses / fiancees to the UK. That is regardless of my own income. Are you able to understand that?

[gWaPito]

I'll agree with you about Babies my friend. You're bound to look at the financial side particularly in determining how many you're going to have. It's the right thing to do.
What your forgetting is that alot of us here have been married before. I'm sure most if not all of us never had to put up with this much Government interference in our first marriage so never anticipated or thought about it this time around. I was already married when I joined this forum and it was only then I became aware of what people were going through to bring their wives here.
You also talk about moral obligations. Well I think this government has a moral obligation to treat it's own citizens exactly the same if not better than people from the EU. Surely you'll agree that it can never be right that if you had a Polish neighbour in exactly the same situation as you he would be treated better than you in our country.

Point taken Marco...on reflection, I thoroughly agree.

I Lastlid dont begrudge anybody a settlement visa if they can financially stand alone...perfectly reasonable one thinks....you keep harping about the 26k...that figure was put forward because that figure and below is where you cld avail yourself to the public purse......not as you are saying plucked out of thin air or out of malice.

[lastlid]

Point taken Marco...on reflection, I throughly agree.

I Lastlid dont begrudge anybody a settlement visa if they can financially stand alone...perfectly reasonable one thinks....you keep harping about the 26k...that figure was put forward because that figure and below is where you cld avail yourself to the public purse......not as you are saying plucked out of thin air or out of malice.

( But you avail yourself to the public purse. )

Exactly, it wasn't plucked out of thin air. But it was generated erroneously and out of lack of care for those on lower incomes. It didn't need to be £26000 and it doesnt need to be £18600 either. Same old same old eh. Just simply an I am alright Jack approach from you.

How would you have liked it if the government had gone higher and precluded your wife / fiancee from getting into the UK? You wouldn't be all for it then.

[lastlid]

Point taken Marco...on reflection, I thoroughly agree.

I Lastlid dont begrudge anybody a settlement visa if they can financially stand alone...perfectly reasonable one thinks....you keep harping about the 26k...that figure was put forward because that figure and below is where you cld avail yourself to the public purse......not as you are saying plucked out of thin air or out of malice.

No. You keep harping on about £26000. Ref below for example.

To be honest, if this proposed £ 26k minimum is going help reduce the welfare bill then surely it gotta be a good thing.

There are a whole raft of benefits to be claimed as a couple after the ILR is in there palms.

Surely, morally it isn't right to expect others to supplement there income. I know there's a long list of injustices going on right now in our country. By adding to it doesn't make it right.

Im afraid, for a very few, they could possibly become victims of our own generous (for some ) welfare system.