identity crisis

[andypaul]

Most immigrants only come here for a better life and to send money home for their family. Look at all the OFWs all over the world.

As for people congregating together with their own compatriots, that's no different from thousands of British people in Spain who live in little enclaves, eat only 'British' food and don't speak any of the local language.

THe only way to stop people wanting toleave their own country is to make it more attractive to stay. How many time have you read on this forum how hard it is to be apart from a loved one? That's how many people from overseas feel in this country and their families at home.

Think about the hypocrosy of the free movement of capital (and where that has landed us) and the controls on the movement of labour. The rich can move their capital to take advantage of cheaper labour/raw materials/fewer employment rights for workers but labour can't move to take advantage of better conditions and pay.

THe ruling class want us to be divided so they can keep us down. The sooner we all realise that the better for all of us.

Well put.

But people have shyed away from the issue and its actually affecting everyone.

Like you say many people who come here to work experince the UK and then bugger off home or somewhere else.
But due to overcomplex rules and what not many of these people fall into poverty traps and end u stuck here in basically ghettos.

Those with no support netork to fall back on will suffer in this recession. Which is why people as well as for company and things in common stick with their own.
But for those with no access to a good support network and little knowledge of the services/rights avaiable to them fall in to poverty on the streets.

In London i know for sure many of the Rough sleepers i see with my own eyes are recent arrivals to the country. As well as i might say a scary amount of older Brits

To disscuss the issue would help all i feel. Not allowing the subject to be dicussed allows those with harmful agendas to make themselves be heard.

[Scouse]

To disscuss the issue would help all i feel. Not allowing the subject to be dicussed allows those with harmful agendas to make themselves be heard.

It needs to be discussed. The rise of the BNP and thier ilk is frightening. Their support is based on ignorance (in the true sense of the word).

We beat them in the seventies and we will do it again.

I have often challenged people when they come out with racist remarks. The funniest was a gay man in work who was bemoaning the fact that the council was slow in processing his claim for rent allowance and he came out with the old chestnut 'if I was an immigrant they would give me everything'

I pointed out that perhaps a a member of a persecuted minority he may like to think about how another persecuted minority would feel, ie immigrants.

He just mumbled and walked away.

[andypaul]

It needs to be discussed. The rise of the BNP and thier ilk is frightening. Their support is based on ignorance (in the true sense of the word).

We beat them in the seventies and we will do it again.

I have often challenged people when they come out with racist remarks. The funniest was a gay man in work who was bemoaning the fact that the council was slow in processing his claim for rent allowance and he came out with the old chestnut 'if I was an immigrant they would give me everything'

I pointed out that perhaps a a member of a persecuted minority he may like to think about how another persecuted minority would feel, ie immigrants.

He just mumbled and walked away.

The BNP and their ilk are not the only ones who concern me.

Radical religous group of all persuassions and im sure other groups with a dodgy agenda will be concoted to take advantage of the issue.

Which will have got worse particulalrly in London when all the big London Councils will not be able to care for those suffering hardship

Remeber if people cant get help in London they will move to other areas to try and get help. Which will burden other smaller councills.