Shut Up!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joebloggs]

but joking about hair colour and the associated national perceptions that go with it is not like joking about socially stigmatised and repressed blacks. I know you were not implying that it is, i'm just drawing the distinction.

but the end result can be the same social stigma and being an outcast , color is just one part of the problem.

[Piamed]

but the end result can be the same social stigma and being an outcast , color is just one part of the problem.

I agree that any form of social stigma is not good if it affects people negatively. Hair colour jokes are not even in the same universe as ethnicity ones though. The 'Golliwog' thing is not an issue of colour at all.

[joebloggs]

Hair colour jokes are not even in the same universe as ethnicity ones though

true, at least people with ginger hair can dye their hair if they want and be 'accepted', thou to me the one clarkson made about brown being one eyed is.

[Piamed]

true, at least people with ginger hair can dye their hair if they want and be 'accepted', thou to me the one clarkson made about brown being one eyed is.

I agree totally mate although they should not have to!

[joebloggs]

I agree totally mate!

but you've managed thru hard work to get where you are toks, many just want everything given to them, and not prepared to work for the rewards.


anyway tok's you've got bigger problems on your way, wait til you see what your little'un will get up to, i've spent 2hrs today taking part and drying his portable dvd player, after he soaked it with his spill proof cup , wall paper is ripped off, food found every where, scrawls on the doors and walls with paint and felt tips , thou i wouldn't change him for the world

all the best to you and your family

[Piamed]

but you've managed thru hard work to get where you are toks, many just want everything given to them, and not prepared to work for the rewards.


anyway tok's you've got bigger problems on your way, wait til you see what your little'un will get up to, i've spent 2hrs today taking part and drying his portable dvd player, after he soaked it with his spill proof cup , wall paper is ripped off, food found every where, scrawls on the doors and walls with paint and felt tips , thou i wouldn't change him for the world

all the best to you and your family

LOL!!! You are so right Joe. She has already declared her intent. She kicks her mum and then i put my hand there to feel it also. Nothing!! So I put my face on Pia's tummy to relax and then 'whack', she kicks me suddenly.

[joebloggs]

what you're in for toks

little joe at 2yrs old, at least another 14+yrs to go

and he's laughing his little head off, as he's one place he shouldn't be his sisters bed !

[somebody]

I agree that any form of social stigma is not good if it affects people negatively. Hair colour jokes are not even in the same universe as ethnicity ones though. The 'Golliwog' thing is not an issue of colour at all.

Wrote out a long reply to that how

The gist of it was but colour of hair jokes can be sometimes ethnic based.

Blonde and ginger jokes i would not be suprised if they go back to the days of pictish and anglo saxon being enemies and people to poke fun at?

Yes they can dye their hair but just as a Black person could speak to a person on the phone or be out of sight. The joke or insult would still be offensive.

I have seen some mikey taking, ribbing of people with red hair and the skin they have which comes with the genes and to a lesser extent some blonde people which if made about their skin would be classfied as racist and many of the examples so malicous and prolonged its not light hearted its some thing that really seems to be a big issue with the person doing the insulting.

When I have been in schools on business or traveling though central london I seen many asian and black kids ribbing the only white kid regarding their hair colour. Many occasions its good natured and meant as a form of friendship other times its the difference that is the issue.
Light hearted jokes or mistaken comment I think sensible people can handle but its the issues some people seem to have lurking inside them which worry me.

I have had people of all backgrounds make blonde jokes many of which just subsitute a Irish person, black person or another non acceptable to have a pop at nowdays.

I always like to have a bit of fun with some pc person who tells a blonde joke saying I used to be dumb when a child and in the sunshine. Once they click they like oh well its just a joke, not meant to be harmful. A senior member of our HR department said "oh sorry im just having a blonde moment".
I cant belive the asian lady would have said oh im having a white moment and would have be mortified if i implied i had a chinese or slitty eye moment if i something up.

Yes I know non asians can have surgery to alter there eyes to be more like a chinese person and chinese can dye there hair. But to me her reaction once she realised was more telling.

Many Black and asian young people at work tell blonde jokes and Irish ones and I see older Black and asian co workers wince as the younger ones dont realise if they changed the descrpition to one they call themselves or said it in a certain voice would have been poked at them once upon a time.

Sadly it seems its in many people from all background and type of genes to tell jokes to put down other people for some reason