To Aposhark,
The argument that you cannot support your wife because you do not agree with her religious views is crazy. That is almost like saying that your wife would not support you because you like watching football and she doesn't. If that was the case there would be very few couples in the UK still together. :-) In any case it is variety, and the differences between people, that makes them interesting and often what attracts us to someone in the first place.
Vive la difference!
" The people who mean something to your life are not rated "the best" don't have the most money, haven't won the greatest prizes....
They are the ones who care about you, take care of you, those who, no matter what, stay close by... "
Although I do not agree that it would be crazy as you put it, it would certainly be a misguided suggestion that one cannot support another in something that one did not believe in. Who do you believe put forward that argument? I've looked but cannot find it in this thread. Certainly, I never suggested thatsuggest that.Originally Posted by itsme_iye
To Aposhark,
The argument that you cannot support your wife because you do not agree with her religious views is crazy. That is almost like saying that your wife would not support you because you like watching football and she doesn't. If that was the case there would be very few couples in the UK still together. :-) In any case it is variety, and the differences between people, that makes them interesting and often what attracts us to someone in the first place.
Vive la difference!My points related to Aposhark and his manner, etc. specifically. I deconstructed my queries in a particular way and raised some relevant issues which the honourable gentleman shied away from.
Likening a football interest to a lifestyle and in many cases a fundamental determminant of the essential them is perhaps not the most useful analogy.No intelligent person would challenge that on a general basis.
Being a Christian is about striving and is an ongoing struggle to be increasingly Christ-like. Being a Christian is not an absolute end-point as some seem to suggest. Because of that, Christians will always by definition be imperfect, just like everone else. Christianity is fundamentally about establishing and maintaining a relationship with God. There area variety of reasons that people attend church services.
The remnants of more traditional churches which tend to be steeped in tradition and rituals and are less scripture-led, are in decline but as stated before the Charismatic denominations that encourage bible-reading and understanding and a personal relationship with God and are more current, contemporary and engaging of the youth are on the up globally. London is a great example. It's difficult to address particular points by some unbelievers as it seems that the points raised are sometimes aimed at the wrong targets and without the understanding of the clearly discernable differences between Catholicism, Religion and Christianity.
It is true that some Christians are unfamiliar with the word of God. Much of that is historical. We could all do more in that regard. Many people should attend church as they can share the word of God and learn a great deal from their peers and often it is the one place where they can receive spiritual nourishment or indoctrination as some unbelievers may perceive it.
I think it's fine that Aposhark, I and others have differing opinions; as far as I'm concerned it does not detract from our friendship. That people can disagree on issues important to them helps develop relationships, e.g. marriage. Some of my good friends are devoutly-Islamic Arabians; I have on occasion found I have more in common with them than athiesits and many Christians. So long as true respect is given by all concerned we can overcome all things.
I as always, wish everyone the best and for one, have found all comments/responses really interesting whether I agree with them or not.
Peace to all as always!!!!
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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i see your point, but how many people are dedicated to their religion, for many ticket holders football is their life, look how many fans go across Europe to watch a match and come straight back.
Noted Joe but football cannot define who an individual is and provide them a set of moral codes that help them contribute positively to society, raise their families and give them a divine source of conflict resolution.
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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all you mention and more i can do without religion, treat people how you would like to be treated, fair play and justice, compassion, common sense, equality .. etc.
I totally agree with that! I was merely attempting to highlight some of the fundamental heterogeneity existing between football and one's belief as cornerstones for the development of e.g. an individuals essential moral fabric, given the context of the prevailing discourse. For many their belief is a philosophy of life that governs their behaviour. It is totally normal for an individual to arrive at a similar set of guiding principles without a religion - absolutely.
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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so what's the difference then, you read the bible, pray and goto church and i don't, is that it
i respect your right to believe what you want, and do what you want as long as its legal and if not, as long as it's in your own home
Where did I type that???????To Aposhark,
The argument that you cannot support your wife because you do not agree with her religious views is crazy. That is almost like saying that your wife would not support you because you like watching football and she doesn't. If that was the case there would be very few couples in the UK still together. :-) In any case it is variety, and the differences between people, that makes them interesting and often what attracts us to someone in the first place.
Vive la difference!
You too have the "ElJohno syndrome" - putting "words into people's mouths".
I get the words MANY & MOST mixed up and all of a sudden its a symdrome
Yes its your right to speak against what people say on here about Christianity and when you belittle what i have given my life to then i will speak my mind.
I am happy to share my views and thoughts on this thread like everyone is entitled i just hope it can be done it a constructive way and it does not turn into a slagging match.(This last comment is just a general thing and not pointed at any one person)
I did hope you'd see the funny side of my "syndrome" comment.I get the words MANY & MOST mixed up and all of a sudden its a symdrome
Yes its your right to speak against what people say on here about Christianity and when you belittle what i have given my life to then i will speak my mind.
I am happy to share my views and thoughts on this thread like everyone is entitled i just hope it can be done it a constructive way and it does not turn into a slagging match.(This last comment is just a general thing and not pointed at any one person)
I equally have given my life to anti-religion.
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I am Irish and love a good joke so sorry if i never picked up on it but thanks anyway for the humour as this thread needs itI did hope you'd see the funny side of my "syndrome" comment.
I equally have given my life to anti-religion.
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