oh dear not wanting to get into argument,but i totally disagree with your statement charlwill. i know of maybe 10 peoplw with vista installed and after early doubts are totally converted now. ok i do have a good knowledge of pcs but my view is the same.when it first came out sure there were lack of drivers,not anymore as i said before everything from photo editing,game paying,burning discs,running various applications all work great. i use my pc for many reasons not just email and printing! i build my own pcs,and repair other peoples. my pc is always running great,don't use a firewall,use nod 32 and a couple of anti spyware progs.